Redefining What It Means To Be A Gay Black Man

Okay...it's somebody else's turn. I spoke in the other thread. Lol. Sorry Scooter. That's...yeah.

 

A person can be attracted to who ever they want want but IMO the way Men of color are portrayed especially gay always have to be flames. I do not think it's cool for a any man to be walking around with hand bangs, purses, and shopping in the women's section. Perhaps I am bias because of who I am but to me it's not a turn on to be with a guy that thinks he is a female and worried about trivial things over whats going on in the community. Really I think it is a distraction

 

I notice that anytime masculine gay men point out to clueless heterosexuals that homosexuality in men doesn't equate to effeminate it's feminine gays who go on the attack and they often get feminists to go on the war path too. Masculine gay men, especially masculine black gay men get it from all sides. It's really very tiresome and futile to have play rhetorical jujitsu with both sides. It's often times just not worth the effort.

 

*I'm confused...what does the title paragraph have to do with the meme? How are they related?

*Masculine men may like or participate in perceived feminine centered things, hobbies, or situations; that doesn't mean they are now non-masculine in their totality. The same way if an effeminate drag queen who use to play football in college and still likes/watches football, that doesn't erase or negate his current state of femininity.

ALL the conversations around erasing, examining, rearranging, blurring, psycho-analyzing, etc. of masculinity as it relates to srt8 & homo/bisexual masculine leaning men, usually comes from the perspective of white/black gay and white/black/male/female feminists. This examination from these experts and bloggers never happens with femininity and effeminate gay men in reverse. I'm not saying examination and critical analysis is not needed....I just think most of the time its not honest or objective considering the sources.

 

Exactly every time this conversation about "redefining masculinity" comes up its usually just a canard for erasing masculinity. I remember one post on Gay Voices in HP tried to redefine masculinity to include wearing dresses and make up. That is not redefining masculinity. That's like me taking two wheels off of a car and saying I'm redefining what it means to own a motorcycle.

 

Everybody needs to just stop w the bs! We all know what masculinity is, and we know what fem is! Shyt aint rocket science

 

I mean at the end of the day we all like men so....why the need to exasperate the issue by separating ourselves?

 

I don't think this is about "sissy-phobia." The point that @ockydub, myself, and others make is that discussions and criticism of masculinity in heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual men is usually made from the perspective of feminists of all stripes and effeminate gay men of many backgrounds and often they have some kind of ax to grind. Their message usually boils down to masculinity = bad and dangerous, therefore it should be abolished. These people are hardly unbiased and have their own less than honorable motives and tactics in pushing their position which is often mindlessly accepted in mainstream media with no critical or thought or analysis.

 

*rolls eyes*

No no. Usually effeminate gays will point out how "masculine" gay men bend over backwards to separate themselves from effeminate gays.

 

In your opinion, why do you think this happens?

 

I'm not sure why masculine men bend over backwards to differentiate themselves. Perhaps you can tell me.

 

RuPaul is handsome.

 

You really didn't address the point being made. You just chose to deflect by bringing up something else. But, oh well.

 

Now you know @hannibal is not gonna give you more than a couple of words in a sentence. If he has to type any more, he gets an attitude.

 

I mean what am I saying that you are not understanding? You all seem to be trying t phrase it as fem men are just mad an on a rampage, but from my honest perspective, the only time I see what is when "masculine men" are trying to separate themselves.

 

Negro, u are too smart to sit here n act like u dont get the issues. Hell, as much as u claim n stick up for 'fem' dudes, n make it seem as if ocky n nick are trying to create gay WW1, find 1 person on these boards who wouldnt invite u to their get together?! Yea, cus ppl fuk w u!

Are we really still arguing abt the fact that not all men who like men like ppl getn us twisted?! U know better, becus u have too much sense, not to! Feminine men only feel like inter-gay victims when masc guys arent attracted to them.

Blk ppl have been trying to be seen as a diverse group of ppl for yrs, why is that such a problem for blk gays?

 

Well, I'm amazing so who wouldn't want me around?