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  1. Lancer

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    What made me write this post was a video I saw of this very handsome white gay boy, Sports athlete, that is from the South and has struggled with his sexuality. He has tried to kill himself many times and even included a short clip of one of his suicide videos to his mom. The video is very heart breaking and no one should have to suffer so much for their sexuality or who they are. However one part of me kept saying he's a Handsome, Masculine, blue eyed, blonde hair, athletic gay man he will be fine. His Youtube video will get millions of views, GLAAD, Ellen, Advocate, The Trevor Project, Dan Savage, Anderson Cooper, Neil Patrick Harris, Tyler Oakley and all other main stream gay power there will scoop him up and soon he will be on magazine covers, interviews and end up working with Ryan Murphy.
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    He will then be one of those white gays who will now benefit from a system set up for them while minority gays and Trans going through much worse will still be stuck in the same system,no matter how many YouTube videos they make, or even end up dead. At that point I was over the video. I find it very difficult to feel empathy for white folks no matter how sad their stories are, because deep down I know they will never feel the same for me if the tables were turned.
    On a personal note when I first moved into an apartment bloc that was managed by a Syrian man(his ethnicity is important to the story). Everything went smooth getting my apartment until one day the Syrian manager knocks on my door and tells me to leave the apartment and that a new tenant, who was another Syrian guy standing beside him, is moving in WTF!?! Mind you I had rent paid for two months, no problem with neighbors, nothing! I had just left Nigeria and was new to the country and did not know what to do. As I packed he kept shouting faster! Faster! and the new Syrian tenant too also chimed in. I moved in for a short while with another African, I explained what had happened and he was shocked. He said the white, passive owners of the building are even scared of the very aggressive Syrian manager and basically follow his lead. I got my money back, found a new place and tucked it to problems of moving to a new country. Fast forward a year later I am walking and this guy is walking up to me waving,smiling and saying 'Hello, my bother'. I could not remember his face until, he spoke and it hit me.:ohhh: This was the Syrian dude I got kicked out the old place for. I was so pissed he had walked up to me and was trying to be all chum-chumy, but hid it well. He started saying how sorry he was for how we first meet and how he played a role in kicking me out. He then told me that the Syrian manager, his own ''brother'', did the same thing to him. Kicked him out of that same apartment, called him all kinds of Bitch, bastard,used hurtful curse words in Arabic and it was the most embarrassing day in his life. He then invited me to have dinner at his place as a way to apologize. I kindly declined and wished him the best. He played a part and benefited from that Syrian guys system of putting Syrian/middle eastern tenants above others and now the system has failed you, you want to play victim and be friends?
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    I feel the same way with minorities. Asian,Indians, Middle Eastern, Women, Jews, Muslims that have treated Blacks in such a horrible way. Indian, Arab and other minorities warn their kids about being friends with black kids or might say be careful with them they are always in trouble or up to no good. Now under Trump, the rise of Neo-nazi, KKK, Anti-immigrant groups, and police brutality you now want us to ''come together'' and fix the evil system that you played a role in feeding???
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    We are ALL going to burn together and I would rather you feel the pain and suffering I have felt than me helping you by coming together to fight this evil, because if I come help you then you would not know how difficult it has been to live in my shoes that you aided in putting the nails in. However I am trying to be my best self now because Hurt people, hurt people and I do not want to be that kind of person.
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    It is a walking process for me and I am trying hard to get there...
     
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    Middle Easterners do think they are better than everyone.

    One of my friends is from Pakistan and he said before he came to America he didn't expect to find blacks there. He then went on about some other things. Recently, he said he would never get into a fight with a black person, he know he'd loose cause of blah blah....I'm giving him the side eye like...Please stay off of Worldstar.

    My other associate who is from the Middle East mentioned something about Worldstar once. I don't watch any of it but I'm wondering if they view black by things like this in other countries.


    I also heard how they treat blacks or dark skinned people in India to a degree. The lighter you are the better mentality. I've never been to India but I hear it's a problem.

    Everytime we do hear about a black person making a "coming out" they usually have a white person on their side as a spouse...Lol

    But anyway, IDK how many times I done said how Black Americans need to stick together...Cause they don't even like each other. I often feel like that being black and liking guys, they feel the need to slide Jesus said up in there somewhere.

    There was a story I read somewhere, IDK if it was here or what not but it was about a black guy that hung himself in a park cause his family wouldn't accept him being gay or something. Story still pisses me off to this day....It got a little press I think in ATL or whatever.

    Idk how much attention this guy would get if he was black but he sure wouldn't be embraced by the black community with fireworks and claps.


    And what's up with this subculture called "Race-play"...I saw something like that a few months ago and I was...Huh they even have one with the police detaining and having sex with blacks....Lol Who are these men paying for that! Hahaha
     
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    I think we can be empathetic towards all folks on their coming out journey. There are literally thousands of coming out videos on YouTube, many made by black, brown, and tan faces. However, with that said, there are probably twice as many by white faces. There are white-centric male oriented gay elite gatekeepers that regularly use their power to uplift their own, among others. I don't see out gay black people celebrating coming out, in fact when I looked at a few videos that were posted on YouTube, the comment sections were filled by other black gay/bi or whatever men ridiculing the person for being too feminine or girly instead of uplifting them.

    With that being said, I don't think black people need to wait for others to embrace people with fanfare. I will be the first to pick up on the clear and evident racism and sexism within the LGBT community but I also think that as gay/bi black people we should be doing a better job at policing some of the toxicity coming out of the black LGBT community, specifically the side-eye queens. In my experience, black gays who get the covers and attention from the white gays are often being used as pons in what the gay elites are trying to achieve. Many of these black gays are young, attractive, physically fit men who sole purpose is to create or perpetuate a narrative at the service of white gay elites (men).

    Speaking of one of those white gays, I regularly listen to Savage Lovecast, a podcast by sex advice columnist Dan Savage and he dedicated almost an entire episode to race play and black fetishism. Jungle Fever, Jezelbelism, Slave Play and other black tropes being used in a sexual way and there are people who pay for it, Craigslist has everything. Well, Dan had a word for what this practice is called but I can't remember it. I will search for the episode and share it. It was interesting, not for me, but interesting. He actually spoke to a couple Black male hustlers/prostitutes/gigolos gay and straight and they were telling stories of how some white men paid money for a "Nig***" to fuck their wifes or fuck their boyfriends. It's a real thing.
     
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    When any Middle Eastern person displays such attitude towards me. I say to them in a humors way(don't want to get into an explosive situation) do not bring such bullshit my way, y'all need to hire Olivia Pope or Kellyanne Conway as your PR person because you guys have the worst rep now and we laugh it out.lol
     
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    Da hell? Sorry, I am not bout to get paid because I'm ni**er to fawk some white dudes wife...This black folks fetish bull is a mess imo. Now I'm not against blacks dating white or whatever, you can date who yu want..But those "I don't date other blacks because ughh" or "blacks gays that obsess' over light skint menz...And treat anything darker like it's not a attractive can go kick rocks.

    Ppl can be into some weird stuff I tell ya and some things I don't think should be passed off as an okay "fetish" Race play is about as nasty as the folks that like to do things involving "waste".

    I understand we all have our fetishes, but damn...lol
     
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    I know it's not all but a lot of them have nasty attitudes like you are in the presence of Sinbad the Sailor...

    Now I don't want to make it sound like I don't like ME folks. I do. I'd love a yummy ME man named Zudhi or whatever but anywho...It's amazing that any would look down on blacks and call them violent..Another that grinds my gears is how they treat women...Da fawk?
     
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    I never prejudge anyone's kinks. But I do find race play and especially slave play is particularly gross and demeaning giving the long history of abuse black people experienced for nearly 300 years.
     
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    Before I get someone raining down on me like a cast member from Dear White People. I wanna say that I find it disrespectful. The black struggle in the past was real. The next time them folks let a white, orange, purple, blue or whatever color person call you a nigger for sexual kinks...Think about all the black folks that got called that before being hung...Think about a white woman could say that a black man touched her without any proof and that man be hunted and killed like an animal. For them to say it's just a fetish, chill out...Um no! The fact that they let someone reduce them to such a thing is crazy.

    I'm not aware of how popular race play is with other ethnic groups but it seems to be a white/black thing stemming into the roots of slavery and Africans.

    Blacks are not the only races that have been enslaved but it seems to me the black experience is more of a mockery to some.

    For me to sit up there and let some white man tell me to "Be quiet nigger slave or nigger bitch". I went looking online to see what it was like and they have some vids on Xhamster. Ex "Nigger slave for white master"

    Umm what? To me it shows how they really view blacks deep down and are calling it a link or whatever...

    And it's not just that too....The whites or other races that worship blacks BBCs and calling them the "Superior race".. it's weird to me. I know it's a "fetish" but it's super weird. Like it is not okay to think of me as a nigger slave with a BBC..Or a King deserving to have his black "cock" worshiped..lol

    I've been low-key warned of certain kinks which overtime develop into some dreadful things.

    I did research via Google and found a website that has the most craziest fetishes that I did not know exist!! My God I almost cried..Well not cried but I clicked that shxt off quick...Just some of the stuff ppl are into...It ain't healthy. Bugs, live mice...cow ****..Just WTF...Ppl??? Lol.

    To clear this post up....The ESPN body issue be having some nice me up in there all nekkid....

    Okay... This is all jus my opinion.
     
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    And speaking of lack of empathy (don't know if this will be off topic in pertaining to this post), I find that white gays are the LOUDEST gays thay cry for attending and want people to see that they are a "minority" where as us black gays have to deal with it more than just being gay. This whole epidemic of us getting killed by cops, discriminated by white people even more since "that man" became y'all president, and just the ongoing thing black people have been dealing with since the beginning, I just feel like white gays just don't see how they have it bet than any other minority gay group. I also kinda find it hard to feel sympathy for white gays now that they're treating their gay prides like a free state to literally show their assess and wear bikinis and perform sexual acts and all that stuff in public,(us black gays can be sloppy too, having his damn leg up like Tank really gonna get at him after the concert). I just feel like this:

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    I cosign the sentiments and thoughts expressed in this post as well as many of the comments. I don't struggle with my lack empathy for other groups. I've made my peace with it long ago and here's why. Black people are always expected to ride or die for causes that don't concern us and for ethnic groups that don't respect us but when "the man" is giving us hell these other groups are silent as church mice. That's why I say fuck 'em. I don't give a shit those other ethnic groups I'm only concerned about my own tribe. We're at the bottom of the barrel of everything. We need to focus on uplifting ourselves. When Arabs, Asians, Jews, or any one else start showing the proper respect and can come with something better then we can talk about alliances. Until then I want nothing to do with the POC banner because from what I see all the other non-whites just want to improve their status in white supremacy not abolish it.
     
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    This!! Peep at how other minority groups that get looked at funny look down on Blacks themselves. It's not all but a lot feel like being Black isn't redeeming...It's very apparent that folks find "darker skin" inferior...

    I was in the car with a Panamanian friend and his fast ass girl cousin. I'll be damn....her father called and asked what time she was coming home...yada yada..

    Get off the phone and we laughing and stuff and she says, if my dad ever found out we had a black guy in the car....he would trip. My other friend was like she just playing but I know he was trying to pacify the situation...

    Wait what? Y'all asses are immigrants (some of y'all family probably illegally) and yo daddy has the nerve to make it seem like being around Black is a bad influenc..?? Baby tell him to come on...He can get slide right back over the border and if his wife act up, she can get slide too...
     
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    That's why IDGAF about immigrants either. For generations the USA has used immigration to starve the black citizens economically. That pattern is still playing out today. Many Latinos are some of the most racist people you'll ever meet. When they get in this country they're looking down their noses at us when many of them jumped over a fence or over stayed their tourist visa to get here. I say let Trump deport as many of them as possible. To me it doesn't make sense when I see all these black activists and civil rights leaders advocating for more immigration and amnesty for illegal immigrants. Massive numbers of low skilled and low wage immigrants hurts poor black people the most and drives down everyone's wages.
     
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    The civil rights leaders didn't really have an agenda outside of getting better jobs for bougie negroes like themselves while leaving the underclass behind. People only know Martin Luther King, but the REAL BRAINS of the 1963 March---a black gay man and a black Socialist---understood and that's why the March's official was "March on Washington for JOBS and Freedom." And as quiet as it's kept, many civil rights leaders, like Barbara Jordan and Correta Scott King cited the same arguments about immigration that you have.

    I think there's an intellectual generation gap, as well, and as I've mentioned here before, younger black folk only know what Obama and the establishment leaders have spoon fed them. They accept the post-racial "we're all in this together" garbage and therefore they have no understanding where independent black men are coming from, and can't fathom that, yes, there are black folk on the LEFT (not just Fox News flunkies) who saw through liberal, coalition bullshit even when it came out of Obama's, Eric Holder's, or Loretta Lynch's mouths.

    All ethnic groups that come to America build and support their own, they only get involved with partisan politics, left or right, to further their own communities. Black Americans (and I'm leaving African and West Indians out because they understand like white and Asian immigrant ethnics do) are the only ones who show up with no agenda and then expect the ready made plans of DNC and GOP to save us.

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    Of course, we're always free to drink the Kool-Aid, made with refreshing Flint MI water lol

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