This dating app is for ‘lovers of diversity’ who are sick of seeing racist trash on Grindr

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  1. Nick Delmacy

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    This dating app is for ‘lovers of diversity’ who are sick of seeing racist trash on Grindr

    Have you ever wished you could just block all those horrible racist people you see on Grindr from your life? Well, now you can!

    Introducing Noir, a new dating app for POC and other “lovers of diversity” who are sick and tired of seeing all those “No blacks, no asians” bigots commonly found on apps like Grindr and Scruff.

    According to its website, Noir wants to “recreate the environment of Harlem’s Black owned night clubs from the 1920s that is conducive for dating.”

    “These were clubs where people of color got to enter through the front door. These were places where the service was catered to Black people. They were also the only places where you can find Black, White and Other all in one place simply enjoying life.”

    We’re down with that!

    Developers say:

    The division that exists in the Gay community of today has become a problem and to combat it, Noir now exists. Noir caters to people of color but all are welcome. Bigotry will NOT be tolerated in Noir. Noir is a place for people of color ranging from Black to Latino to Asian to Indian and lovers of diversity. Coming to Noir requires an open mind and an open heart.

    The app is currently only available on iOS, but an Android version is in development. It’s free to download and offers all the features we’ve come to expect with dating apps, including local and global listings, favorites, and messaging.

    It also has a zero tolerance policy for bigotry.

    “We do encourage our members to report any profiles that use bigoted language and/or rhetoric,” the website says. “‘No \< insert race here \>, just a preference.’ will also not be tolerated. Noir is not the place for that type of language.”

    Noir: Mobile Dating for Gay People of Color & Lovers of Diversity
     
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    Behavior on Grindr, Tindr, etc. only facilitates the cognitive profiles of people IRL. A change in app doesn't change behavior. People who use this app were likely not the ones walling up with "no [fill in the blank]s" anyway. All this might do is keep out those folk, who likely wouldn't be using this app anyway.

    Diversity is not just "black/white" as we see from discussion on CA. You might be a black person who only likes light skinned or dark skinned people; or maybe black Dominicans don't want to hang with black Haitians, etc. There is more diversity WITHIN "races" and ethnic groups than without. An app is not going to change the world, let alone the highly subjective world of dating.

    On a final note, I had to give an eye roll to that whole Harlem 1920s analogy. Anyone who knows real Black American history knows that Harlem and the whole Cotton Club thing was not some oasis of multiracial harmony. While there was intermixing to a degree unseen in the rest of America at the time, most of the clubs were still white or mafia owned and there was still a high degree of separation and colonial economics. All the real cultural movement was going on OUTSIDE these clubs and within private black and integrated circles and settings, i.e. the Harlem Renaissance writers and artists and white patrons like Carl Van Vechten.

    So like back then like now, more diverse gatherings going on outside the clubs and apps than inside.
     
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    Basically a dating app to preventing weak minds from getting their sensitive feelings heart from the white men they lust after.

    So if my profile stated "I'm interested in men of all colors...just no fems" then my profile would still get reported right?
     
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    Well that is really not racial is it?-but you know you would get reported. I wonder about 'fats' or 'old heads', etc. I wonder if you just put it as 'I prefer masculine men like myself' or would that be a 'preference' or 'bigoted rhetoric'(what is that, exactly?)

    Agree with @Rico about the 1920's Harlem analogy. They took it way too far in the description IMO.

    Overall though, a step in the right direction. Forget about hurt feelings, somebody has to stand up to this bullshit on these apps. The 'no rice, no spice, no chocolate' shit is disgusting and as degrading to whites as to the people who are being described that way.

    Back in the 'newspaper ads' day I did put one ad out(when I first came out) in a gay newspaper here. That paper would not accept the 'no fats, straight acting, etc' stuff in any submissions. That was about 1985. You could describe what you wanted in acceptable terms. "looking for in shape, height-weight proportionate black or hispanic masculine men' for example-not perfect but not such an assault on other people's sensibilities. You know, kind of semi-respectful at least.
     
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    Slightly disagree on the "standup to the apps" thing. No one is forced to use the Grindr app and if one finds it objectionable, stop using it, use another app (theres no shortage of gay apps), or higher a programmer and start ones own. There was a litlle bullshit marketing in this new app, e.g. make Grindr seem sooooooooo horrible so the new app looks sooooooooo perfect.

    That's not to say you aren't right about approach, i.e. taking a whitelist vs a blacklist approach (and those are security industry not racial terms lol)
     
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    It's only avail for iPhones...that's not racist against androids?
     
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    Androids?!

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    I feel so stupid when I have to 'look up' stuff from your posts. But I guess it is learning(and if I don't know it I damn well am going to look it up). And yeah, they do seem to be doing the 'great us vs evil them' thing ...but hopefully it will turn out to be an overall positive when the pros and cons are weighed(nothing is perfect-except this site of course). That thing about Harlem in the 20's though..even I know it was 'not quite like that'....
     
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    Please! Nobody wants to have ieverythingunderthesun in order for their smartphone to be smart.
     
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    Too many dumb people with smart phones anyway. Such a waste of technology for shallow trash. Have the latest smart phone and paying all those $$$$ but begging for money for this and that, getting evicted and out of food..but got to have the latest and most expensive technology. Sad. as. fk. #prioritiesfuckedupmorethanmineare
     
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    The guy whose pic is posted on the beginning of this thread looks like the kind of guy white guys would go for to me. ????
     
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    Bingo! It's an app for snow queens who want so desperately to be accepted by the white men they lust after even though those men have no interest in them. mr-thirsty1.gif
     
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    I def get all of these criticisms...HOWEVER...as someone who was told, "If you don't like it, go make your own" when it comes to gay websites...I applaud them for doing that. Regardless what they regulate or censor on the app, its THEIR app to regulate and censor.

    Just like the Cypher Avenue site is purposely free of "shade," overt racism and queer fem imagery/slang (all things that fall into "free speech" and "preference"), the creators of NOIR can shoo away racists and anti-interracial dating trolls on their app. If you don't like it, go make your own...or use Grindr, Jack'd, A4A, BGClive, etc...
     
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    Idk if I'd go so far as to say an app called 'noir' is necessarily 'going' for 'snow queens', but I def agree w the 'if he doesn't want u, get over it' mantra. I saw a blk dude on Tinder yesterday talking about how hes a 'sucker for blue eyes' and I was just like, just put 'no blacks, no Asians' alrdy!
     
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    lol dude you ain't stupid, i'm just an uber nerd that's been reading since age 3. My argument, in this case, was mostly an economic choice one. Grindr does not have a perfect monopoly which is why I cut them slack (that and people's right to individual choice). Anyone with time, programming skills, web hosting and a PC can create a competitive product to Grindr as did these folk. Likewise, what a person uses Grindr for is on them. Yeah, most people use it for a quick fuck or blow job, but some have actually used it for platonic relations and friendships without the "clone wars" drama. I didn't go into the race/fem aspect as Ock covered all that in his previous podcast interview with the young Asian guy dating a black woman.
     
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    There's the name for the next app

    "A La Carte: the dating app that lets you build a friend from our menu of choices!"
     
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    You shoulda put on some blue contacts and hit him up. Just to fuck with him.
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    I'm sure his reaction would be riot. I find black people of both genders and all sexual orientations who so pressed to screw are partner up with non-black and especially white to be some of the most pathetic self loathing bastards you'll ever meet. I almost feel sorry for them, almost.
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    I feel bad for the ones who genuinely don't 'get' it. Like, the ones who get exposed to white ppl taking advantage of their privileges and think that they can be included in that club, because, you being the only black in the room means that no one sees ur color. Smh
     
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    I am here to criticize the app quality.

    Seriously: the User experience, the design, everything feels crappy and cheap. at least put something usable out there. Jack'd looks like instagram compared to this and that's saying a lot...

    You need users to get this going. To get users you need a decent app. It doesn't have to be great. Just don't export some shit from Keynote and dump it on the App Store, for fuck sake.
     
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    Keynote...Hmmm...Is that an App Building software for beginners? Are all Keynote created apps poor quality?
     
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    He was throwing super shade at poor developers lol. Keynote is Apple's version of PowerPoint. I own it but never use it.
     
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    Yeah its hard out here for an entrepreneur on a budget...Had me thinking about a Cypher Ave app for a second but then I imagined @Infinite_loop dragging us across the coals for a splash page that loads for a half second too long, lol.

    Real talk tho, I did experience a black dude give a whole media app pitch to me at a party...he pulled out his phone to demonstrate and the shit barely loaded, kept freezing up...I felt embarrassed FOR him...
     
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    Nah it's the Apple equivalent to PowerPoint but it has tool where you can create high fidelity app mockups that look like the real thing. It's very popular among the business-type startups kids presenting in front of VCs and stuff.
     
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    Lol I am not actually pick at all. I, myself, am a mediocre app developer. I tend to stay in the backend and I admit that I sometimes obsess about page loading time.

    However, if one really want to develop a good quality app, there is a plethora of "affordable" design and development tools.

    Framer: Design, code and collaborate. is my favorite currently. You cant just spend $0 bucks and expect to have something that people will get addicted to.

    I appreciate their effort in trying to get something out there, but I feel the same way as @Nick Delmacy feels about shitty gay web series lol
     
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    I know Adobe has some of those mock up app tools, but i've never used them, even though I pay for them as a part of my CC subscription. I've got a shitload of programs and haven't used any, maybe next Summer. Not trying to take food out of US mouths but there are plenty of good developers over seas, so that's an option Nick might explore. Africa is really coming up. As I mentioned to @African King i've been working on research into Nigerian banking and mobile payments, and Lagos has a burgeoning tech sector. For example these young folk

    techcabal.com

    (When I say young, i mean all you millennials, Gen-Xers like me are the geezers now lol)
     
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    I love TechCabal, it is probably the best way to get African startup news right now. The site seems to be down right now though... And yes, African developers are on the come up. There were like 4 or 5 Nigerian startups in the 2017 class at Y Combinator 5 Nigerian startups make Y Combinator’s Winter Batch 2017.

    The general pattern is that countries with at least some level of political stability and democracy are coming up extremely fast: Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, South Africa(ish), etc.
     
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    Honestly, I always wished there was an app that was exclusive to black men. Growing up on long island and being around alot of white people. I don't think I would ever get into a relationship with a white, Asian man or non black Latino. Being black and gay is hard enough, especially dealing with black men my age. I have zero patience for racism.
     
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