A Look Back at the Reaction to 'Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People' a Year Late

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  1. Nick Delmacy

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    Here’s the Squad discussion on the Original Article: Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People


    By Damon Young

    A year ago, a line in a piece from Saki Benibo—an assertion also articulated a year before in a tweet from Mela Machinko—inspired me to write something of my own based on that statement. The result (“Straight Black Men Are The White People Of Black People”) was my most read VSB piece of 2017.

    It inspired dozens of written and video responses (including one from Panama). Jemele Hill retweeted it—and then felt the wrath of 10,000 vats of ash. bell hooks even invited me to her institute at Berea College for a conversation.

    Anyway, I have some thoughts on the reaction to it.

    1. I’ve been writing publicly for 15 years now, and I can pretty much predict how a piece I’ve written will do when published. Of course, there are some outliers, but the vast majority fall within the traffic and response ranges I expected them to. That said, the response to this piece surprised me.

    I knew the title and the premise would ruffle some feathers. But it was far from original. Scholars, academics, journalists, bloggers, people on Twitter, and even songwriters have been saying similar things for decades. And it was such a matter-of-fact analogy that I didn’t think there was much space for sustained pushback. Saying that black men who are straight possess a privilege within the black community that is similar to the privilege that white men possess within the country felt—and still feels—boilerplate and mundane. Like saying bricks hit pavement when dropped from windows.



    But I clearly underestimated the response. Granted, there were some external factors (Jemele’s tweet, for instance) that amplified it in a way that increased its reach, but I think this underestimation was a product of my own straight black male privilege. Although, again, the premise wasn’t unique, it came from a man (me) on a platform (VSB) run by men, and people tend to take things said by men more seriously than things said by women—even if the women are much more qualified to say it. Also, I underestimated how many people (men and women, but mostly men) would be so angry; so unable or unwilling to acknowledge that privilege exists on a spectrum. (And, of course, when speaking to the women in my life about that response, their collective response to my surprise was “Well, duh.”)

    2. I’ve been asked more times than I care to count if the level of anger and vehemence in some of those responses—particularly from the black men upset by the piece—hurt me. My answer is complicated. I wasn’t bothered much by the personal attacks on me. Irked, perhaps, but the same way I might be from a mosquito bite on my shin. I was less troubled by that than the fact that this anger exists. And that these black men—whose only response to hearing that black women very often feel unsafe and unprotected and subjugated around us is “Fuck you”—are the same people black women have to interact with on a daily basis.

    As I read and watched and listened to some of those responses, I was flabbergasted at how similar what they were saying was to what white people say when accused of racism, and how blind they were to those similarities. It was like reading one of those fill-in-the-blanks worksheets from Highlights Magazine. I wanted to scream DO Y’ALL NIGGAS NOT REALIZE THAT YOU SOUND EXACTLY LIKE THE TYPE OF WHITE PEOPLE YOU CLAIM TO HATE?

    I’m aware that some of the criticism came from people who (rightly) believe that black men are already roundly demonized, and that a piece like that just exacerbates that narrative. I see where that’s coming from, and I sympathize somewhat. I am, also, a black man, and I’m aware of how we’re thought of and depicted. But this strain of criticism reminds me of what we so often hear and see from the police when they’re criticized.

    You’d think that the rank-and-file cops who consider themselves to be good people/police would cheer when the colleagues who abuse their powers are named/suspended/arrested/indicted. Getting rid of the “bad apples” would seem to be something that the batch—presumably full of “good apples”—would be in favor of. But, more often than not, they just hunker down and create an “us vs them” binary, making it impossible for citizens—particularly those in neighborhoods or belonging to communities under siege—to distinguish which apples are which. Which naturally leads to the conclusion that they’re all bad. Basically, DO Y’ALL NIGGAS NOT ALSO REALIZE THAT YOU SOUND EXACTLY LIKE COPS?

    3. If I were to say “My cousin Frank is the Michael Jordan of omelette making” most people with any understanding of analogy and any context of Michael Jordan would know what I meant.

    “Oh, Damon’s cousin Frank must be an exceptional—and scarily competitive—omelette maker. Perhaps the best ever” is what normal and rational people would think. Hopefully, this is what you, person reading this, would also think. Although the analogy is quite awkward, the point is clear.

    What you would not think is “Oh, Damon’s cousin Frank jumps from the foul line and slam dunks his eggs into the pan.” Or “Oh, Damon’s cousin Frank made an omelette that was the NBA’s MVP in 1988.”

    Perhaps the most puzzling part of the response was from the people who took the analogy in the title literally.

    “Black men can’t be the white people of black people because black men didn’t colonize the Americas and drop the atomic bomb on Japan.”

    “If black men are the white people of black people then what about Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey? What are they?”

    Either some of us have much, much, much, much, much more difficulty with analogy than I assumed or some of us just get real dumb real quick when called out. (I think it’s the latter.)

    4. It took me roughly an hour to write it. If I could go back and write it again, I would’ve taken more time to add more historical and academic context. Perhaps citations from books and maybe even direct quotes from the feminist scholars I know, just to make the premise more solid. I definitely would have included stats like the ones found on this MCASA.org fact sheet on black women and sexual assault (pdf).

    I also would have removed this line (“We are the ones who get the biggest seat at the table and the biggest piece of chicken at the table despite making the smallest contribution to the meal”) because it was unnecessary and reductive.


    5. This experience also made it clear that the people who say things like “This is trying to divide us instead of bring us together” when hearing something critical are full of the heaviest shit. It is, in inflection, in tone, in phrasing, in connotation, in timing, and in intent, exactly the same as saying that acknowledging the presence of racism is racist and divisive.

    6. I was uncomfortable with the positive attention this received. There are people who’ve written and worked much more extensively on this topic. Icons like bell hooks and Dr. Kimberle Crenshaw. Contemporary feminists and academics I personally know like Melissa Harris-Perry, Brittney Cooper, Jamilah Lemieux, Saida Grundy, Catherine Knight Steele and more—all better equipped than I am to articulate the intersections between race, class, gender, and sex.

    I mentioned this self-consciousness in the video with Terence Nance, and I also alluded to it in a conversation with bell hooks, who then shared that a couple of her colleagues felt similarly. That others have said what I said, yet I—this random Pittsburgh nigga with a blog (my words)—was getting the attention for it.

    But she (and several others who I spoke to about this) essentially said that it’s specifically because I’m some random Pittsburgh nigga with a blog (again, these are my words) and not an academic or activist or feminist scholar that it mattered. Whether fair or not, there are people who won’t listen to them but will read me, and perhaps I could serve as a gateway drug to them. Basically, I need to get the fuck over myself and just deal with it.

    Lesson learned.
     
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    Okay, I’ll try (I find it hard to reply seriously to comment claiming that I have beliefs that I know don’t have).

    You don’t have to erase the experiences of black men to explain why black women and the LGBTQ community needs additional support in our communities. That is what equating black men to white people feels like for me. Erasure. (This also totally erases the role women play of promoting anti-queer attitudes, but I digress). It especially doesn’t make sense when, as a society as whole, black men bear much of the brunt of racism in America. This is not anecdotal.

    “Black men have the lowest life expectancy of all major ethnic-sex populations in the USA, yet no recent studies have comprehensively examined black male mortality.”

    Mortality Among Black Men in the USA. - PubMed - NCBI

    Black men die at a higher rate, but literally no one gives a shit. Study after study shows that no matter the class or education, black men earn less than all other groups. We consistently underperform -

    “Even when children grow up next to each other with parents who earn similar incomes, black boys fare worse than white boys in 99 percent of America. And the gaps only worsen in the kind of neighborhoods that promise low poverty and good schools.”

    “Though black girls and women face deep inequality on many measures, black and white girls from families with comparable earnings attain similar individual incomes as adults.”

    Extensive Data Shows Punishing Reach of Racism for Black Boys

    We also know black men are incarcerated more, are more negatively viewed in society and face more discrimination than any other group.

    And you know who’s most critical of black men? Black men!

    “Black men are harshly critical of the priorities of black men generally, saying that black men put too little emphasis on education (69 percent), health (66 percent), their families (48 percent), and getting ahead at work (43 percent), and too much emphasis on sports (49 percent), maintaining a tough image (41 percent), and sex (54 percent) (see Figures 6a and 6b). Black men and black women tend to give far harsher ratings on these measures than white men and white women have of black men’s priorities, except the areas of maintaining a tough image and sports, where opinions converge.”

    Perceptions of and by Black Men

    So excuse me if I don’t jump on the black men are the white people of black people bandwagon. Its not bore out by any of the research.

    Damon Young isn’t breaking any new ground criticizing black men. He’s walking a path that has been laid out again and again and again. Black men criticizing other black men in a broad manner is a tradition as old as the civil rights movement.

    Black men and black women and white men and white women and Asians and Latinx and Europeans love shitting on American black men. From Bill Cosby to Obama to Kendrick Lamar. From bell hooks to Angela Davis. It has been all said before. Each time in a new and more creative way.

    And black boys are listening. They know we don’t like them. For all my life I have heard how shitty black men are. Excuse me if I don’t want my son to internalize the consensus of every fucking group and person who speaks on the subject. I can raise my son to respect and love women, to respect and love the LGBTQ community, and with the added knowledge that as a young black male there is a extra target on his back. And its comes from EVERY SINGLE DIRECTION. My son is not the white people of black people. He’s the nigger of America and he has smarter and more polite and more respectful to get 50% of the treatment he deserves. And if he doesn’t realize that, he will get trampled like so many black boys before
     
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