Get Them Out Now

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    https://splinternews.com/get-them-out-now-1830282355

    The reaction to last night’s election results has been mostly along the lines of “so much for that big blue wave we were promised,” but at least the Democrats took back control of the House. The former isn’t entirely wrong, although there were so many bright spots at the state level, but the latter is cold comfort in its purest form.

    The Democrats needed 218 seats to take the House, where Nancy Pelosi will almost certainly be elevated to Speaker. As it currently stands, the party has 220 seats to the Republicans 193, meaning they’ve crossed that critical threshold by a measly two seats. Overall, The New York Times’ tally—again, there are still races that haven’t been called yet—puts the Dems’ gains at 27 seats. That’s hardly even in spitting distance of their forecasted gains which, depending on who you wanted to listen to, ranged from somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 seats to as many as 60. But still, they won.

    Things get much darker when you look at the Senate, the dominion of Chuck Schumer. The Republicans were always expected to keep their majority, but Schumer’s party managed to actually lose ground: Sen. Claire McCaskill fell to Josh Hawley in Missouri, Joe Donnelly lost in Indiana, and Heidi Heitkamp was voted out in North Dakota. We couldn’t have the Beto O’Rourke victory in Texas that we were pining for—another six years of Ted Cruz forcing his college debate team captain smarm on us all—so we were forced to celebrate far-too-close wins by awful Democrats like New Jersey’s Bob Menendez, an avatar of old school corruption, in New Jersey and West Virginia’s Joe Manchin, who supported Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination.

    There will be plenty of time for other outlets to dissect turnout demographics and rake voters (and non-voters) over the coals, but I favor another approach: blame those at the top. Lop off the head of this beast. Make getting Schumer and Pelosi out of their respective chambers a priority, now.

    In her “victory” speech last night at the DCCC—an organization so out of touch and self-indulgent that they were reportedly blasting “Fight Song” before the returns came in last night—Pelosi had the gall to call the blue trickle a “new day in America,” a phrase which, on Wednesday morning, was true only in the most literal sense. Things did not improve from there: Pelosi vowed to “strive for bipartisanship” and, even worse, hyped something called the “bipartisan marketplace of ideas.” This is the next House Speaker’s idea of a victory speech; this is the elected official charged with leading the Democrats into battle once more. Trump and the Republicans will continue to stoke white America’s fear of a black and brown country until they stop drawing breath, but at least we’ll be armed to hilt with uh, the “bipartisan marketplace.” We could all find ourselves in one internment camp or another and there will be Nancy Pelosi, still asking for civility and compromise in this moment of adversity. It’s nice to have one singular thing to count on from her, and it’s obvious that she’s not the person who should be in charge going forward.

    All of this comes before this terrible duo takes the stage again to show us more of the same. They have nothing new to offer. Pelosi in particular wants Republicans to know she’s open to horse trading—that’s how things work in Washington!—before she’s even officially in power, but we can also expect the added flavor of any move Pelosi does makes dying in the Republicans’ Senate.

    Setting aside their individual political ills, which we’ve documented at length on this site and are so numerous that they’d require posts all their own, Pelosi and Schumer have failed time and time again to resist the Trump administration’s agenda in meaningful ways. They were left sputtering over the president’s recent gesture at doing away with birthright citizenship, they’ve let Trump judges slide on through, they bumbled about, issuing fiery statements while immigrant children were being kept in cages, until the administration finally tweaked the policy so people would stop being mad and forget all about it.

    This morning, their latest failures are laid bare for all to see: They are the top-ranking members of their party and are responsible for its (increasingly rare) wins and monumental losses. Both are hailed as Politics Geniuses with decades of experience pulling the levers of power behind the scenes and using their high profiles to be tireless fundraisers for the Democrats. But what good is all that when they can’t satisfy their most basic mandates? It’s depressingly stunted, futile, and useless, just like both of them. Get rid of them.
     
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    This article sums up what i've been saying all along but liberals like @Nick Delmacy swear that Pelosi is a goddess who can do no wrong. Oh I forgot. She can whip votes like no other. LOL But democrats keep losing so whipping votes isn't doing us much good these days.
     
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    This article sums up what I've been saying all along but liberals like @RolandG never offer up legitimate alternatives to replace Pelosi. Oh I forgot, that politician will magically show up just like the politician that can legitimately defeat Trump will materialize into thin air.

    No politician will meet expectations for Liberals, which is why we "keep losing so whipping votes doesn't do us much good these days." Despite being labeled as the boogyman in GOP ads across the country, she helped the Dems gain the most seats since the Nixon administration.

    Liberals ALWAYS find things wrong with their candidates while the GOP looks the other way with theirs, and then they win. They almost elected Roy fucking Moore. They will excuse pedophila for the chance at lifetime seats on the Supreme Court. Beto O'Rourke is the new golden boy right now but I will bet a paycheck that Dems, Liberals and Progressives will ultimately not bear hug him and get behind a single candidate. We're like herding stray cats. All of our candidates have to individual pass purity tests.
     
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    First, I'd like to say that Pelosi isn't responsible for whipping votes only. That really is the job of the Majority Whip, which i'm assuming would be Steny Hoyer as it was the last time Pelosi was speaker. If Pelosi is so good at whipping votes, let her be Majority Whip and do what the name implies. As SPEAKER, she is not that great at speaking, AKA, being a spokesperson for the democratic vision of what we want to achieve legislatively in Congress. I don't have anything against her personally. She raises lots of cash for the party, which she could continue to do in any other capacity.


    Second, who said anything about magical candidate? No alternatives to Pelosi? There are more than 220 Democrats in the House. Take your pick. There are many who are more articulate and better at public speaking and being grilled by the press. Steny Hoyer is much better at it for instance. Why not the two of them swap? It won't happen because Pelosi isn't going to accept a lower position but that's an option.

    Last, your whole last paragraph is so far from the truth. Both parties nominate candidates that aren't beloved by the entire party. Hell, not all Republicans love Trump. I supported Hillary knowing she had several flaws so it's not true that I expect perfection. I just felt she was better for the job. I'm very practical. I don't think Pelosi is the best person for the job. Fine lady but way past what we need as a Speaker.

    Oh and Democrats excuse lots as well in order to win. This isn't a trait exclusive to the GOP. Did liberals not continue to vote for and support Clinton through multiple sex scandals? We supported Obama through Jeremiah Wright. There are lots of flawed Democrats in office that continue to get the support of liberals.
     
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