Butching Up Online: A Dating Experiment

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  1. OckyDub

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    The Experiment

    I was on Scruff for 14 days with my hair down and fully visible in all its luscious glory. The actual text of my profiles is always amazing, and I don’t say that just because I think so. My friends think so, and I’ve written more than a few OkCupid profiles for my friends that immediately led to relationships. Anyway, in those 14 days I received four messages, four conversations resulting from messages where I had made the initial contact, and three woofs, which are like hey, you’re cute but I’m too lazy to say hi so this is like a Facebook poke. These numbers were fairly disheartening, especially when you sit across from one of your friends at dinner who has 15 new messages every time he opens his phone.

    After changing my profile pic to something more butch—again, face-forward but with less expression and my hair pulled out of sight under a baseball cap—my screen lit up with two messages in the first 10 minutes. Over the course of 10 days I received 28 messages, had 29 convos based on my initial message, and scored 36 woofs. While these numbers are not massively high (I don’t do half-naked pics and I’m black), the butch factor clearly had an impact.

    Conclusions

    Believe it or not, I didn’t come out of this experiment feeling bad about myself—just smarter about the way gay men (or perhaps men in general) place way too much emphasis on silly characteristics like beards and ballcaps (hint: that’s why you’re all still cranky and single).* And really, I don’t think having long hair itself is the big hang-up; it’s what my hair implies. Having long hair (especially for a black man) means you’re probably a bitchy dramatic queen that nobody wants to date. Even if the assumption isn’t that extreme, the underlying fear is “you spent too much time on your appearance and that’s not masculine.” That’s frustrating, of course, since stereotypical masculinity takes just as much work—we just don’t think of it that way. I remember chatting with this scruffy, fairly muscular guy with tattoos and chest hair and an Instagram full of masc pics; once we got to talking, he revealed his obsession with Beyoncé and said “yasss!” every other paragraph. But no matter—his picture is butch, so his dating life is always full.

    As for me, I like my hair, and I like my style; right now, I don’t feel the need to change myself to attract 5 percent of the population when the other 95 percent gives me snaps. It’ll always bother me at least a little to watch the whole gay dating scene from the outside, but for the moment I’d rather be unique than put on another interchangeable, expressionless “masc” mask.

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    DMem
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    First, I need to address the following statement “black men are virtually invisible on online dating sites (unless you are in the top 5 percent of musculature and attractiveness) compared to white men (who can be completely average in every way and still fill a social calendar)”. This is completely false unless you are a black man who is only interested in white men. I have little empathy for men of color who basically limit their dating pool to white men and then complain that the white men don’t want them, but that’s a different conversation.

    Now, to the main point, based on the picture, the author isn’t just feminine, he’s flamboyant.The issue isn’t the long hair as much the hairstyle. If he wants to wear his hair that way more power to him.However, my question is “are the guys online that he considers interesting also flamboyant”?Odds are; they are not. I have found that while flamboyant types tend to hang out with other flamboyant types in terms of friends, when it comes to dating they avoid each other like the plague. I suspect this is just another example of someone chasing behind others who are the complete opposite of himself for the very same reasons yet those who reject him are shallow but he’s not while all the time ignoring all the other flam types out there.

    Rafi D'Angelo
    Mar 27, 2014
    @DMem I don't typically read or respond to internet comments, but I was a little interested to see what the difference in response would be between people who are familiar with me through my blog and people who aren't.
    Curiously enough, you proved my point. "Based on the picture he's flamboyant." Actually, I'm not. And, I pretty much stopped dating white men in 2012, but this is pretty much what I mean by judging someone solely on a picture. You've ascertained that I only date white men, that I'm flamboyant, and that I chase others who are the opposite of myself from just a picture when none of those are true.

    DMem
    Mar 27, 2014
    @Rafi D'Angelo @DMem Actually I assumed you are basically in to white man based on your statement that black men are basically invisible on online dating sites which just is not true. It had nothing to do with your picture. As for the picture, like I said based on the pic. Let's face it it's not just the long hair. If your hair was the same length but with locks, no one would bat an eye. Again, based on the pic, it looks as if you are going for that quasi-Farah Fawcett look that a lot of female celebrities have these days. And we all know that the black females that sport that style are mostly sporting weaves. So, yes, a man sporting a weave would be flamboyant by my definition. However, flam and fem are not the same in my book. A straight man can be flam. Flam is a matter of saying, "hey world, look a me." That's an issue of personal style. The more your personal style differs from the mainstream, the fewer people are going to be attracted to it. It's like someone in the Goth look trying to date outside of the Goth screen. it's possible, but the reality is that it going to be hard.
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    I think that summed it up. Assumptions about masculinity and femininity aside, most people don't immediately gravitate toward men with long, flowing locks (maybe with the exception of well-suited Europeans and people into some Fabio-like, romance novel cover type of look), just like some aren't into women with short or bald cuts. He would likely get a similar rise in responses with a mere haircut. In fact, the cap probably helped by hiding his hair and giving the appearance of a short haircut. Without it, the pulled-back hair would have likely been somewhat visible.

    I've seen others get more attention with a change of hairstyle. And really, if he cares so much about being unique and not putting on a "mask" (sweeping generalization), then he's probably only compatible with a small subset of the population anyway. His smaller number of initial responses is just the reality for those outside of the norm, which I'm sure is disappointing when you're already outside of the norm for being black and gay but it's just how it is.

    Another generalization:
    I'm pretty sure his dating life is full because he's a fairly muscular guy. That plus the scruff, tattoos and chest hair, all features that are often praised. And if he's an Instagram model-type, he likely posts like of pics of himself doing "fun" or "cool" things displaying his body and apparent affluence and desirability. If the guy were out of shape, he wouldn't attract the same level of attention even if he were the most masc guy ever (or at least a different kind; there are popular bear and thick dudes). Many of the popular Youtube gay guys like DaveyWavey are totally fem and don't have a shortage of attention. They also tend to have muscular, lean or athletic builds. Some people need to accept that their chosen look doesn't attract the mainstream rather than assuming the mainstream has some kind of personal issue because they aren't checking for them.
     
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    very interesting... i will be back to this one. too much to catalogue before i respond. thanks for posting...
     
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    Of the responses I read, this was I agreed with the most.


    Patrick KarshMar 28, 2014

    Gay men like other men.. I don't understand why you are so miffed that when you make a concerted effort to look more like a woman, at least according to societal gender constructs, that manly gay men are less attracted to you. It is like a woman with a beard and chest hair wondering why straight men no long responding to her personal ads. If you chose a look that is not mainstream that is your prerogative but you should not blame people for not embracing your look. I am sure their are plenty of other fem guys that are into your look.


    I like social experiments but this guy it seems went into this with self deluded dishonesty. He may not be flamboyant but the picture to the right says otherwise.
    I defend that looks are subjective and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I'm all for being whoever you feel is you but I also realize in the concept of standardized looks and "types".
     
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    I was going to say the same thing about dude's hair. If it were long locks nobody would care, but when you sportin' "Porche Williams" hair, then ni@@az is gonna give you the f@#kin side eye and pass yo a$$ by.
     
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    I mean, he out here in these streets looking like Verdine White from EWF then wanna get butthurt about it.

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    Then Scruff... I mean that's mainly white guys at least when it had installed and they were really only checking for thick/muscular dudes and neither of his profile pictures gave me that despite his diva fan on deck hair style or cap.

    My conclusion is, if you want a certain type of man, there's some things your are going to have to become or accept to have that type of dude. If you are naturally not that type, it's futile to charge into something you are not because eventually, The Real You is going to be tired of being repressed and the aftermath could be scorched earth when it's revealed.
     
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