CA Podcast #50 - The "Politics" Episode

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    Brehs, we present to you a new episode of the CYPHER AVENUE PODCAST where you’ll hear us give updates, engage in heated topic debates, interviewing interesting homosexual men of color and us verbally adding on to the articles posted on the website. The episodes will be available in four ways: You can listen to them on the site, watch on YouTube, download a MP3 version or subscribe to us on iTunes or YouTube for automatic updates!

    In this podcast, hosts Octavius Williams and Nick Delmacy discuss Cypher Avenue’s The Locker Room, Gay Growing Pains, Dating Out Of Your League and the Presidential Candidates in the Upcoming Election.


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    I always enjoy a good political discussion. Here a couple things that stood out in the conversation.

    1) Bernie won't get anything through Congress.
    And so hasn't President Obama, and sure hell Hilary won't. I know her campaign has pushed out the message that he won't get anything pass through Congress. But they want us to forget that she won't either. Republican's opinions of Hilary have not changed. If someone wants to argue that Hilary would have a better shot, do you really think they would treat a woman better than a man? Remember that the country preferred the man over the woman before. Republicans hate Hilary.

    2) Bernie is promising free shit
    Bernie often makes the point that this is a America. The richest nation on earth. If everyone else is able to provide free health care to their citizens or free college tuition and they have the means to do it, why couldn't we? At the end of the day, if people decide that's what they want and elect Bernie, would that not be the people speaking? If you want to go back to the argument that it can't happen, point taken. But refer back to number 1.

    3) Bernie is not going to win
    A Democrat is likely to win unless they blow it. Why? Because of the electoral college. Demographic shifts in states make black votes matters (as you guys alluded to) and other minority votes and even without Obama on the ticket, Democrats again, would have to blow it. As the Dem nominee, one could expect that Bernie would get those votes, and as an independent, one would expect he would get those. This is hypothetical, but national polling will backs it up. Bernie would not win, but would fare better than Hillary.

    https://berniesanders.com/wp-conten...2016-Public-Polling-Analysis-1-16-final-1.pdf

    4) Republicans won't win
    Besides what I mentioned in #3 above, their appeal is limited, as we have seen. They only rile up a vicious and loud fraction of the entire sphere of Republican voters. The base is big, but not big enough. Trump and Cruz are leading REpublicans, but they will tank in the general.

    5) Obamacare was passed with an entire democratic majority. Because Dems didn't have their shit together, it almost tanked, especially after Ted Kennedy passed. Dems initially had the 60 vote majority to avoid a filibuster, but Ted died and the Dem nominee to replace him TANKED and lost to Scott Brown. But they eventually were able to pass it using a parliamentary process that is too much in the weeds to explain.

    6) Black people be like: "Where was Bernie, when...?"
    It wouldn't be politics if it weren't pandering. That's what politics is. Pandering. It has both negative and positive connotations, but that's politics. You meet with one side, even if they are mad at you for never meeting with them before, and you try to convince them that you aren't bad, actually, pretty good. Bernie has come out in favor of issues specific to black people, like criminal justice reform. I agree he has work to do in his messaging to the black community, but I don't necessarily think Hilary is likely to necessarily do anything major for the betterment of black people. Bernie would be much easier to hold accountable than HIlary, given that she already things she's too oh so cozy with black folks anywyay.

    7) Disappointment
    Can't do anything about that. We're never going to have anyone perfect. Some will be better than others. We can find some fault in every president. Try to find something positive and hope for the best.
     
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    I think that the Locker Room was a dope idea.

    I think that everybody has gay growing pains at one point or another. I've pretty much known I was gay for as long as I can remember but I told myself I was bi for a while because, in my mind, that seemed more acceptable. That shit was a damn lie lol

    That dating out of your league shit is a real thing.

    I am not sure who the hell I'm voting for. I've pretty much exed out The Don and Bernie...
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    Many Americans are still waiting for much of the dust to settle (nominations confirmed, VP selections) before picking their poison.

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    The dating out of your league is so true but I am glad that I stepped to a guy that I was "scared of". My confidence has definitely grown. But yeah I know what it is like to see these dudes that are all over Instagram and they are so handsome. They seem like their lives are perfect. I will convince myself that they would never go for a nerd like me.
     
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    Your life is probably better and more on track than many if not most of those IG models. Just keep doing what you are doing. Taking these kinds of risks is the best thing you can do-you don't end up regretting what you have done, you regret what you didn't do, and what you should have done.
     
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    Just remember that looks are never what they seem to be. Pretty people are often wracked with self-doubt. And for a lot of them, this is all they have. I think beauty's overrated- it's something anyone can be; attraction-now that's something different.

    Also...nerds rule the world.
     
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    In all, very good points.

    One thing- I always find it deliciously self-serving whenever campaigns release polling saying how remarkably remarkable they are at winning elections 8 or 9 or 48628 months in the future. I'm sure Howard Dean and his scream did this back in 2004...he's on MSNBC now. I'm sure he's very well remunerated. But not better remunerated than the pollsters who fleeced his friggin sheep of a campaign.

    Which brings me back to Bernie. Poor Bernie, he's still busy explaining how a "democratic socialist" isn't a "socialist socialist", but instead just a regular run-of-the-mill socialist...like the ones they grow in Denmark...or something. Mkay. Ah, poor lamb.
     
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    Remunerated bro? Why you just didn't say 'dat nigga gittin paid now?' You pulling out SAT words and shit. lol. j/k

    Campaigns are inherently self-serving. You do all you can to one-up your competitor and show that you're better and they're not. But part of what polling 8 or 9 months down the line show people at that point that you are competitive (or not). Donors won't contribute and thus, people won't support you unless you can show viability, and polling does that. As I've said in previous posts, polling isn't always reflective of outcomes, but again, it gives you some indicator as to how the winds are blowing.

    The very definition of socialist is subjective in this country and carries negative connotations because people really can't articulate or even know what it is. Germany offers free college for citizens and international students, but they aren't socialist. England offers free health care for citizens, immigrants and international visitors are not socialist. If one believes those policies are socialist, what makes them different from our federal entitlements (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid)?

    That being said, in politics, it is very important to define yourself or risk others defining who you are. Bernie knows that people will conjure up whatever negative images of socialism they want to dismiss him and his "socialist" ideas. At the same time, he's not ashamed that he's embracing some principles of socialism but wants to distinguish his brand of it. His problem is that he started his campaign to sell his brand and himself a little too late in some places for it to catch on.
     
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    Thank you @ColumbusGuy :)

    @NikR lol you're right about the nerds ruling the world.

    But yes what you both say makes sense. I'm going to the singles mixer on Wednesday.
     
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    Obviously, still catching up with podcasts. Worth noting that a month or so later, the podcasts are still worth hearing. Instance, the political discussion on this is still up to date - though after tonight (OH, IL, FL) who knows.
    What most caught me on this cast was the part about fitting in and what it means to learn to be gay - different types/stereotypes. When I was trying to figure this whole sexual identity thing out in the late 60s, there was one dominant type - an effeminate one. It's worth pointing out that it was a stereotype largely fostered by the straight world. No matter, it was true in those days that more experienced gay folks took seriously their role/responsibility to school us newbies in how to act, what to do, where to go, how to talk. It may not have been formal, but it was pretty constant.
    Today I think younger folks are all over the place. Many have no fear, no need to be schooled. But others want someone to show them the ropes. Some find their own niche instinctively. Others are less comfortable, look consciously or unconciously for someone to show them the way. Times have changed a lot, but not for everyone in our family.
    This podcast was a nice reminder of that.
     
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