Do Feminine Gay Males Give Gays A Bad Name?

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  1. Dante

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    Answer: YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ yall do! #TheGayStereotype


     
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    I would say I wish they could objectively answer the question and have an open discussion but what they're saying and the actual title/question is not being addressed.
     
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    But to answer the question; "Do Feminine Gay Males Give Gays A Bad Name"? I would say, No.

    The over abundance of fem or flamboyant stereotypical representation of gay men in all forms of media is what gives gays a "bad" name. How I interpret the phrase "bad name", to me it means or focuses on the perpetuation of a caricature.
     
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    I've tried to think about this question rationally. I think that only because femininity is devalued by most cultures. Also femininity in males is very off putting to say the least. As human beings when things don't compute and or defy our expectations we often become hostile. Also since effeminate men and boys are seen as the face of male homosexuality masculine homosexual males can become hostile as well because we don't want to be associated with femininity and femaleness because it opens us up to attack and ridicule as well. Finally I do have to say I find many effeminate gay men to be annoying to be around because they really take their behavior to the extreme and often times think being bitchy and "reading" people is some kind of sport.
     
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    Do masculine DL head cases make gays look bad?
     
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    No...they make Black men in general look bad. Their 'issues' transcend sexuality.
     
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    So you're saying they are worse?
     
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    It depends on if the focus is on a micro or macro level.
     
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    Explain
     
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    Black "basket case" masculine gay or st8 men, visually are not subjugated to the "Gay/Queer/Fem" column.
     
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    Agree-On that macro level, if they are not recognized as 'gay' then no matter how badly they behave or no matter what they do, they cannot make 'gays' look bad-they are just identified as men making men look bad.
    On that micro level, if they are behaving badly and then 'outed' as DL or closeted gays, then yeah, they can make gays look bad, and not only as gays behaving badly, but as gays being sinister/hiding/deceiving women etc.
     
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    *Shoves mic in @Ockydub face* So you're saying the bigger problem is the masculine closet cases?
     
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    Bigger...or worse, no...different...yes.
     
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    That is a separate problem, but not the bigger problem. The gay stereotype (fem gay males) is a part of the reason why a lot of masculine gay and bisexual men being on the DL/in the closet. The soci perception is that being gay is being feminine/"trying to be a woman"/"less of a man" (for a lot of people), thus making it mentally and internally uncomfortable for these men to be open and honest with themselves and to others. The act and deceit they make with women is an unfortunate consequence.
     
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    .....*shoves mic in face* So you're saying that it's feminine men's fault that the masculines be DL in the closet? Is that what you're saying?
     
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    The literal deceit, lying and hiding that DL men do with female is their own fault. However, the gay stereotype (fem gay men) is helping the homophobia that pushes these men into their position.
     
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    Am sorry but that is bullshit if you are "masculine" man you should be able to stand on your own and not worry about what others think because I am sure that is one of the main sticking points of masculinity is being cool with ones self putting that shit on fem guys is kinda of a bitch move. Now you can say your worried about losing your job or your safety do to prejudice or people being ignorant but that is still not on fem gay guys
     
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    Tell that to all the people who perceive being gay as they do, bc of the stereotype and all the DL men (gay and bisexual) that aren' t and will never come out the closet. There has always been a perception of "being gay" and fem gays have helped with that.
     
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    I gotta disagree with you on that first point. everyone no matter who they are man or woman masculine or feminine cares about how they're perceived. Anyone who says that they don't is either lying or has a shitty reputation that's FUBAR. Throughout human history and all human cultures masculinity in every culture is about how you're perceived and if the behavior or a man lines up with the cultural expectations for men in that society. What you are talking about (not caring what others think) is not line up with traditional masculinity. It's more of a recent phenomenon that has become accepted in modern America where many cultural norms and expectations have broken down.
     
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    So you're saying it's fem men's fault that the masculines be in the closet and carrying on and all that?
     
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    There is way too much brain damage in this conversation. This is why I stopped watching Jacob Kohinoor years ago.
    Even though Jacob summed up the issue pretty well around the 1:50 mark, the other guy continues his victimhood rant, so let me dissect all of the misguided thoughts in the conversation.
    1) Nobody "hates" you. Fem dudes are so schizophrenic thinking everyone is out to get them. Masc dudes just don't vibe with you, plain and simple, and they have every right to voice their opinion on your behavior just like you do to them calling them "trade."
    2) No one is trying to change you my schizophrenic friends. The bitterness you hear are masculine men being frustrated that they don't see themselves represented AT ALL on the net or tv. The closest we've had was Omar from The Wire, Tariq and Kal on the now cancelled L.A Complex, and I'm assuming Moonlight (although I've never seen it).
    3) Are feminine men giving the gay community a bad name? Well the fact that this topic is spoken about on every single gay YouTube channel, there must be some truth to it. I feel like there is some guilt going on here, so you fems need to deal with that yourselves.
    4) Towards the end Jacob starts being rude and catty to the boy on the left. Kind of proving the stereotype of the bitchiness of fem dudes which contributes greatly to the negative reputations gays get.
    5) Holy shit, these guys bring up the word "conformity" so much in this vid. I'm starting to believe that they have self-image issues with themselves, and are feeling guilty for representing themselves as fems. Sorry, but that's no one's problem but yours. Grow some balls..........oh wait.
     
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    Quite the opposite I'm not assigning any blame to effeminate men at all. They are the primary victims of homo-antagonistic attitudes. I'm just saying @Jdudre assessment of masculinity is incorrect .
     
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    Come thru Ms. @GNerd2012 bitch! Yes Gawd!

    Sorry, I just couldn't resist doing that in this thread.

    Real talk, I fuks w ur response 100%

    I refuse to apologize for being tired of seeing mofo EJ Johnson, who is 7' 33", ms lawrence, ms jaye, n HELL, some man dressed as ms Jane Pittman, walking around being listed as lgbt representatives!

    The reality is that fem men are 'not threats to blk women', they're often 'non threatening 'girls' to laugh at/with'...as long as they don't get into too much detail about how they're actually ppl who date and have sex lives, TOO! As long as they'll be an accessory to some woman, and shade someone in every scene while rocking a face full of makeup, stilettos, and feathers, they're golden. Kinda like puppies...

    And the best part is when they talk about all of these masc men who are blowing their phones up n beating down their doors. Smh

    Frontin for a check is nothin new.
     
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    You ok? You seem upset. I knew the masculines were sensitive, but not to this degree.
     
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    You can't blame me. I thought the masculines were supposed to be less sensitive than us fembots.
     
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    We all have feelings negro!
     
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