If You Don't Want to Date a Trans-Man, That's Discrimination

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    "The high rates of trans exclusion from potential dating pools are undoubtedly due in part to cisnormativity, cissexism, and transphobia"
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    Considering the discrimination trans people face on a daily basis, it comes as no surprise that trans people are overlooked when it comes to dating. Two Canadian researchers recently asked almost 1000 cisgender folks if they would date a trans person in a new study published in the Journal of Social and Personal Relationships. This is the first study to ever attempt to quantify the extent of trans discrimination when it comes to romantic and sexual relationships.

    958 participants (all but seven cisgender, ranging in age from 18 to 81, with an average age of 26) were asked to indicate which genders they would consider dating. The options included cisgender man, cisgender woman, trans man, trans woman, or genderqueer, and participants could select as many genders as they wanted.

    Only 12% of all participants selected “trans woman” and/or “trans man.”

    Those who would consider dating a trans person didn’t differ in race/ethnicity, but were somewhat older, more likely to hold a university degree, and, unsurprisingly, less likely to be religious than those who would not date a trans person. But some of the most striking differences were in regards to participants’ gender and sexual orientation.

    Virtually all heterosexuals excluded trans folks from their dating pool: only 1.8% of straight women and 3.3% of straight men chose a trans person of either binary gender. But most non-heterosexuals weren’t down for dating a trans person either, with only 11.5% of gay men and 29% of lesbians being trans-inclusive in their dating preferences. Bisexual/queer/nonbinary participants (these were all combined into one group) were most open to having a trans partner, but even among them, almost half (48%) did not select either ‘trans man’ or ‘trans woman.’

    Of the seven participants who themselves identified as transgender or nonbinary, 89% were willing to date another trans person.

    Romantic relationships are one of the most important sources of social support for adults. The fact that most cis people would not consider trans people as potential dating partners is yet another serious risk factor for increased psychological and physical health problems among the trans population.

    Surprisingly, among the 127 participants open to dating a trans person, almost half selected a trans person of a gender incongruent with their stated sexual orientation. For example, 50% of the trans-inclusive straight women and 28% of the trans-inclusive gay men were willing to date a trans woman, even though one wouldn’t expect either straight women or gay men to be attracted to women. Similarly, 50% of trans-inclusive straight men and 69% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they’d date a trans man, even though both groups are presumably only attracted to women. And 33% of the trans-inclusive bisexual/queer participants said they would only date a trans person of one gender but not the other, even though one may expect this group to be attracted to multiple genders.

    Digging even deeper into the choices of cis folks willing to date trans people, an interesting pattern of discrimination against trans women in particular emerged among those who would be expected to be attracted to women: 28% of trans-inclusive bisexual/queer/nonbinary folks and 38% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they wouldn’t date a trans woman — only a trans man. There was no similar discrimination against trans men among those expected to be attracted to men: 0% of trans-inclusive gay men and only 5% of trans-inclusive bisexual/queer/nonbinary folks excluded trans men from their dating pool.

    The high rates of trans exclusion from potential dating pools are undoubtedly due in part to cisnormativity, cissexism, and transphobia — all of which lead to lack of knowledge about transgender people and their bodies, discomfort with these unknowns, and fear of being discriminated against by proxy of one’s romantic partner. It is also possible that at least some of the trans exclusion is due to the fact that for some people, sexual orientation might be not (just) about a partner’s gender identity, but attraction to specific body types and/or judgment of reproductive capabilities.

    Of course, this is just one study with a non-representative sample (participants were recruited using online advertisements, listserv messages, on-campus announcements, in-print magazine ads, snowballing methods, and invitations sent to previous study participants), so more research is needed to understand the extent of this form of trans exclusion and the reasons driving it.

    But despite the limitations, these results clearly indicate that although the visibility of transgender people is on the rise, we still have a long way to go to reach trans equality.

    New Research Shows a Vast Majority of Cis People Won't Date Trans People
     
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    :lupe1: Ummm.... I think the wording might have been confusing to people b/c ppl was prop thinking of trans women not trans men.
    QUOTE="OckyDub, post: 56661, member: 2"]"The high rates of trans exclusion from potential dating pools are undoubtedly due in part to cisnormativity, cissexism, and transphobia"[/QUOTE]

    :patrice:This is interesting. I like how they broke down the trans men vs trans women preference though.
    :ufdup: I think this is a overall better conclusion:
    But Yall Let's not throw the whole article out . I think basically eludes back to this past post
     
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    While the info on the research is needed....the "if you don't want _________ (sexually) it's discrimination" BS is complete victim-hood garbage.
     
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    They really could have just used a different word other than "discrimination" . Cause later on in even say trans men seem to be more desired over vs trans women. Which is basic the elephant in the room.

    This articles seems to even concludes that they are desired more over trans women. Thats what the articles should have been about in the 1st place. That's where they messed up at. :ufdup:
     
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    Trans men tend to look more like their cis gender "peers". After facial hair and muscles, there's not much to hide other than chest scars from Breast tissue removal. Most people are not going to ask to see a dick if the body and face match up.

    A Trans man can go to most gyms and no one would bat an eye in the locker room. They could be a Never Nude and with boxers for underwear there's no obvious print or bulge expectation. A Trans female would have a much more difficult time in a similar environment.
     
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    I agree. It would be like...

     
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    As a former close friend of a transwoman, this scene feels awfully familiar. Dare I say that I was triggered. It can be an explosive situation when folks are misgendered.
     
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    I really feel sorry for her. It can be frustrating just trying to live your life and then be misgendered. I do not know what it feels like, however it clearly upset her. The store clerk was trying to do his best but was not well equipped to handle the situation.
     
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