New Survey on Black Homophobia

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    We already beat this conversation to death in another thread, but a new survey came out that illustrates some of the points that were raised.

    New Survey Debunks The Myth Of Black Homophobia

    "For many years, there has been a myth that African Americans are more likely to be homophobic and thus more likely to oppose advances for LGBT equality. Conservatives have even tried to leverage this supposed wedge to slow the progress of equality. A new survey, however, not only debunks the myth, but suggests that the black community is one of the LGBT community’s strongest allies."
     
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    Looking at this study reminds me of arguments from people in the government that the U.S. economy is actually BOOMING. They bring out charts and figures showing how the stock market is doing, how corporations are flourishing, how the unemployment rate is down....but when you talk to actual people, the feedback is not the same.

    What people will tell a survey taker is not always the same as what people do and say in reality, especially if it makes them appear to be a bigot or homophobic.

    And we also have to remember that just because a person is not out making "God Hates F*Gs" signs and protesting gay marriage, that doesn't mean that they are not the type to make homophobic comments in a barbershop, in a church or at the dinner table in front of their 15 year old gay son.
     
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    Off topic, but I found this earlier today that gives an unbiased and easy to understand view of how the economy is really doing under President Obama. Obama’s Numbers (October 2015 Update)
     
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    Yeah I don't think anyone here on The Boards agrees with the GOP that the economy is in the dumps, my point in bringing that up was that while all that be factually and technically be true...often when you talk to actual people, they're not feeling the recovery just yet.

    Kinda like when you meet a dude online and "on paper" everything lines up with the type of dude you like...but when you meet him in person, there's no match....Even though gay marriage is legal and you keep reading that black gay relationships are on the rise. Many of the dudes on this site are hopelessly single.

    I think all that applies to the Black Homophobia conversation as well. In that other thread, some dudes kept asking for statistics and data...but as a person who has been getting emails and comments for years from black dudes struggling more with being gay due to people in their own family or black community than with hetero white strangers, I gotta lean towards there being some truth to the "myth." Even if just anecdotally.

    So, while I love to debate/discuss this topic, I'll concede that the hard data may not be on my side. But Personally and anecdotally, I still believe the idea that black people (nationally and globally - see: Nigeria and Jamaica) are just as, if not more, homophobic than white people.
     
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    In other words it does not matter to you if a black person is nice, smart, and all the other things you find appling, based on the things that happend to you in the past you will brush all black people the same i.e. homephobic, am sorry more homephobic then white people.
    Next time when somebody acusses of not liking black gay men think about what you wrote.
     
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    :what::what::what:

    What in what I wrote implied all that? Read better, homie.
     
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    He did not say that lol.
     
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    From the above quote that you stated that you believe the idea that black people are just as,if not more homophobic than white people.
    Don't get me wrong I have a huge amount of issues with black people in genrale and for the most part I feel I will never real be embrace by then in whatever "brotherhood" that is talked about so much in social media and beyond. But an not going to sit here pretending that white people are the be all to end all, while each time a black person does something wrong it must be because they are black and therefore wrong.
    That is what I have isseues with, if your into white guys that is fine be into what your into but don't try and say its because black people are more homophobic or whatever little thing you think is wrong.
     
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    Not outright but he has been circling it
     
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    Dude, you're either conflating multiple issues together into this response (black homophobia and interracial dating) or you're clearly confused or not reading what I wrote...even other people disputed you and your clarification to your initial response is even more confusing than the first... either way, you're entitled to your own opinion. Good day, sir!

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    One person that I saw so far.
    you're right about me putting multiple issues into this one response mainly because I feel that they feed into each other. A lot of black gay men refuse to date other gay black men for the " black people are more homophobic then everyone else"line hell they use that line of thinking as excuse for a lot of things.
    Which I feel is a very dangerous and untrue statement especially for a site that is trying to bring gay black men together.
    Oh and the whole you must be confused thing please don't try it unless you can point out to me where exactly I am confused at.
     
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    Especially in Black communities.
     
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    Wait wait...two things off the back that I'm noticing is missing from the survey AND this conversation.

    1) The survey was on ONE particular group of Black people; Black Protestants that's it.

    How in the hell can the entire Black community's views on homosexual and homophobia be dependent on this small ass group of Black people; as if they speak for the majority of Blacks?

    ALSO

    2)How were the survey questions conducted and administered?

    The reason I'm asking is regardless, it this was a written type fill in the blank questionnaire or verbally to participants via phone or in person, if the questioner was White or Asian; who handed them the survey or asked the questions in person, I believe some of these Protestant Black folks gave answers that were what they deemed PC as a way to appear intellectually mainstream and non-bigoted.

    I see, hear, and read black homophobia almost everyday.
     
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    Based on my own experiences I also unfortunately see, hear and read black homophobia almost everyday, even when there's no reason for the subject to come up.
     
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    Exactly
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    Daps count as co-signs too. I have multiple, you have none. Thanks for playing tho.

     
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    You just had to get nasty back....and I could not help myself(lol)....so now he has 4. Why did you tempt me? :foxxxy:

    *we all know that you and Ocky are snow(_ _ _ _ _ _ ) and are pushing an interracial agenda....right..BGC said so! LOL!

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    I dind't realize we were playing game ? You stated a comment about how black pleolpe are more homephobic then white people something you have stated more then once mostly from what I gather are personal acconts and faulty data . I pointed out how that could be harmfull and feed into other steretypes about gay black men. I don't see how I lost anything ? My statement still stands
     
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    OMG, Dude. I gave the EXACT same face LMFAO!!!!!
     
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    You know what I had this real long answer cause I actually thought about this a lot . This is not the first time this has come up spicifically am not even talking abou this website eventhough it has come up on this website. But as I get older I have come to the conclusion to just fuck it it does not matter to anybody real. I'll just do my nerd shit and leave the black gay shit to people like like y'all cause y'all won.
     
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    LOL...honestly I think you should (of course you don't have to) keep in mind not only the nature of this thread but also the nature of men who fuck with, clown on, joke on and rib each other.

    Both @Nick Delmacy and @alton have clowned me numerous times in debates or back-and-fourths about "how they won" or "why you mad bro" comments, gifs and memes. Yes I may be tight for a minute but these fools don't mean no harm. I will eventually get them back AND I feel my point of view still trumps theirs on a particular topic.

    Your argument is valid; HOWEVER the way you typed it initially was confusing as fuk. As a reader I feel it was kinda a foot note to the actual topic and accusatory in tone. Which to me was misplaced.
     
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    I'm in the south. I hear "that's gay" all. The. Time. On simple sh!t.

    Dudes complaining about movie seats because they don't want to sit directly next to each other. That's gay!

    Dudes can't sit next to each other at the Waffle House. That's gay!

    Bro hugs because they can't do a real hug. That's gay!

    "fuggin fagz taking over this gym, I'm not coming to this mofo no mo!"

    "I can't get a job at.... because all they hire are these damned sissies. "

    "oh Chile, you know Cora son gay! Yeah Chile! Guulll she said she support him but I know my sons ain't gay. Imma pray for her tho. Uhmmm Hummm. Moved to that Atlanta and got in with the wrong crowd. Shame chile!"

    I have heard or seen these things. I'm usually in mixed company but in my personal experience, black people are way more invested in who is and who isn't gay and making sure they are not associated with 'gay' than other ethics groups.
     
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    "the way you typed it initially was confusing as fuk."
    exactly.
     
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    Hey, I'm not mad at dudes wanting to tap out from challenging discourse. On the Ave, don't bring your baggage into a debate, you'll always get thrown off target and clowned for it in the process.
     
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    The problem with statistics is they can say whatever you want them to if you conduct your study correctly. That's how I feel about Dr. Umar's statistics "proving" the majority of gay people have been molested; his sample, as a trauma specialist, is obviously slanted to deal with people who have been molested, some of them being gay or lesbian. I need to see the study.
     
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    Right. You can't talk to a couple of people and then conclude that all gay people are gay because they were molested and/or were raised without a father. There are a lot of straight people who were molested by someone of their same gender, so why aren't they gay?
     
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    Black people are notoriously homophobic. Every time you turn around, some overtly religious bat is wondering who is gay or condemning the practice. You go to the movies or watch a show with gay black men, all you hear is huffing and puffing. I know of a few times a visibly gay black guy would appear and Id see a straight black guy looking at him in disgust and shaking his head.

    Most black straight women have a gay friend as an accessory or to find out who is gay. I know of several instances during my past semester where these girls were being introduced to Jackd through their "gay friends" to find out who is DL.

    Idk what to say about this but you can tell quiteca few straight blacks turn their nose up at LGBT people, especially if youre a man and even more so if youre phine.

    You hear broads say that one thing they always say...oh he too phine to be gay....or the classic one, you just aint found the right woman or man yet.

    Step in an "accepting" black church as gay and boy will they give you looks or talk about cha'.

    But if anything, we have to support each other which isnt exactly peaches n cream...

    Lol, most straight black men act like it is a disease they can catch.

    Support my butt...lol
     
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    "Most black straight women have a gay friend as an accessory or to find out who is gay. I know of several instances during my past semester where these girls were being introduced to Jackd through their "gay friends" to find out who is DL"
    This shit right here REALLY annoys the f#$k outta me. And 9 x's outta 10 it's a "EXTRA" a$$, effeminate dude.
    :iverson2:

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    I don't think there's any survey that's going to truly represent the back communities true feelings on homosexuality. The problem from the start is going to be your control group as to where the survey is going to be done and who's going to take. Publically there are a lot of black folks who denounce and will say they don't agree with homosexuality, but within that group will be people who are on the down low and those who go along to get along. For those of us in the barber shop and hear negative comments being made about gays do we sit there and say nothing or challenge the person making the comment, if nothing is ever said to challenge what was said then that's on those who say nothing but for those that do speak up you may not change the persons mind but at least you made your point heard and left them with something to think about. It's going to be a long and slow process, we can't even get people in our community to stop calling each other the N word what's make you think changing thier minds on homosexuality will happen over night. It's going to take seeing brothers like Micheal Sam, Jussie Smolllett, Darren Young, & Keith Hamilton Cobb, brothers who don't come off as a stereotype, that appear masculine, to be seen and heard from for attitudes change and to get the black community to begin to question what a gay black man really looks like. Just like black men are threatening to white folks masculine black gay men are threatening to the black community.
     
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