Not Gay Enough...

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    'Not gay enough': Dutch authorities challenge asylum-seekers to prove their sexuality
    by Venetia Rainey, November 9, 2017
    It's just after 2 p.m. on a sunny day in September, and a motley group of people are standing outside Amsterdam's main courthouse. Among them is a worried-looking couple: a young Arab man with dyed hair, a diamond earring and a tight T-shirt, holding the hand of an older white man in a more nondescript outfit.

    Next to them is Sandro Kortekaas, the founder and director of LGBT Asylum Support, an NGO that assists refugees who have fled to the Netherlands because of their sexuality. Increasingly, advocates say, these asylum-seekers are facing local immigration authorities who think they are lying.

    "Today it was a case of an Iraqi refugee in which the Dutch IND [Immigration and Naturalization Service] don't believe he is gay," Kortekaas explains with a sigh as the group packs into cars and drives off. "This is becoming quite common in the Netherlands at the moment, and that's something we worry about."

    The IND does not release any statistics about LGBT asylum applications. One researcher, Sabine Jansen, is writing a report on the issue and estimated there are a few hundred LGBT applicants a year. How many of these are rejected is not clear, but lawyers and activists working on the issue say it is happening regularly and with increasing frequency.

    "At the moment we are almost reaching 90 cases," adds Kortekaas. "That's a lot, that's really too much."

    One of these cases is Shayleen, a 22-year-old Ugandan woman with a soft voice who came to the Netherlands two years ago. Shayleen is a lesbian, and in Uganda, that can mean jail, or even death.

    "When I discovered who I was, and who I still am, I wasn't so open about it," she explains on a park bench in The Hague. "In my country it's a crime, an abomination, a disease. It's all sorts of the worst names."

    She says she was imprisoned without a trial after someone discovered her sexuality, and nearly died in prison. Once she was released, she fled to Europe, and eventually ended up in the Netherlands. She applied for asylum, but nine months later, she was rejected.

    The reason? Shayleen told the IND that she would be killed if she went back to Uganda. She says they then accused her of lying because the official punishment is life imprisonment, not death. They also said that they didn't believe she was actually a lesbian, she adds.

    During the interview, officials asked her multiple questions about her sexuality. They asked her to talk in depth about how she discovered that she was a lesbian, how long it took, how it affected her and her family, what she had done to accept herself, whether she still had any doubts, and so on.

    "So some questions are a bit weird and are difficult to find answers to," she says. "And then afterward they say, well you didn’t give us the right answers to the questions, or you were not open enough to the questions we asked. It's unfair."

    Shayleen is currently appealing the decision, but hasn't heard back yet, leaving her in limbo and worried about being returned to a country where her life would be in danger because of her sexuality.

    For activists such as Kortekaas, the IND's interview process and its apparent focus on inner sexual discovery needs to be reformed. Early last month, LGBT Asylum Support led a protest outside the Dutch Parliament, with dozens of demonstrators wearing T-shirts pointedly emblazoned with the words "Not Gay Enough" in Dutch.

    They presented a petition to politicians signed by thousands demanding that a new expert committee be created to assess LGBT asylum appeals. They are now in dialogue with the IND to see if they can make it happen.

    Even for those LGBT refugees who are granted asylum in the Netherlands, however, the current process can seem blind to the nuances of how sexuality might be expressed or explored in difficult situations or countries.

    "My best friend, he simply had pictures of him with a girl on Facebook," explains Adrian, a 22-year-old from Jamaica. While Adrian was one of the lucky ones, receiving asylum within a month of arriving in the Netherlands, his best friend's application took several months longer.

    "[The IND] didn’t understand that Jamaica is a society where it's not easy for everyone to be up front with their sexuality," he says. "Sometimes you have to take a picture with a girl, but that doesn't mean that you're straight."

    The crux of issue is: When a refugee's asylum application rests on the fact that they are gay, how can immigration authorities know for sure?

    Adrian pauses for a second, kissing his teeth as he thinks before answering. "I don't think there is any right way to prove that anyone is gay."

    Advocates say there may be a few people who lie to try to get asylum — but it’s a tiny minority.

    For Adrian, it all seems very unlikely: "Even for gay people, it's really hard to convince the IND that they're gay. So I think its a lot of effort to go through."

    From PRI's The World ©2017 PRI


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    "Dutch authorities challenge NON-WHITE asylum-seekers to prove their sexuality"

    Fixed it.
     
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    Bingo! They want to limit the amount of darker skin people from coming to there country. This provides an easy way to do just that. Unfortunately for non-white, non-heterosexuals that means being stuck in hell hole countries where it is ok to assault, imprison, or murder someone for being gay.
     
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    Showing my age (AGAIN), but back in the early 70s, a doctor friend told me that up until recently (ie, before 1970 or so) public health docs who worked for the immigration service tested foreigners entering the country who were suspected of being gay (back in the days when a gay foreigner could be denied entry to the US). How did they test them, you ask? First, again according to my friend, they tested their gag reflex. If they had no gag reflex or a weak one, then they went on to test their sphincter - a loose one was a sure sign. I don't know if this is true, but he swore it was.
     
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    I have been reading a few things and have seen some comments from some Dutch people on some posts in various places and it seems there is 'something going on' there. Gay (white)Dutch men were complaining about immigrants from Africa and the Middle East being homophobic and attacking Dutch gays. Would not surprise me if this is filtering around the nation there. Plus they have that ultra-nationalist faction there.

    So they think she might not be gay?
    Well if they think she is gay enough in Uganda to imprison her for it, that should be enough smh. I hate this...Columbus has received some gay Ugandan gay men who barely got out of there with there lives. Now with Trump, how many are not going to make it? I was kind of hoping Cbus could be a refuge city for gays from Africa, the Middle East, etc. whose lives are at risk. But Trump has shut that down. Just one more reason (of the oh so many reasons)to despise Trump.

    *And the funding for the program that brought those gay men here has been cut, and it is struggling.
     
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    All thanks to "Abraham", it's descendants, and their infectious, back-assward, exploitative, "I'm Better than Everyone Else around me because my Beliefs are Written down in a Book" mentality havin' ass adherents.
     
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    Just about every person who I've dealt with from either Africa or somewhere like Pakistan has this wide-eyed homosexual face. Like they just go crazy with it.

    I had one girl from Africa trying to define me by my earrings. I worked with an African guy I could not stand because of his remarks. I was bout to lose my job one time. Ready to punch him in the face. I knew a guy from Pakistan that asked why I wasn't married. Do I ever get lonely without a woman? I need a companion? Just anything to try to find out if I liked men...sigh

    I have a promise ring that I wear on my "ring finger" and whole lotta questions and facial expressions come up.

    I feel so sad for folks in those countries & our own). I wonder why it's okay for them to sleep with so many women but two dudes can't be together.
     
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    interesting...
     
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    exactly it all boils down to race!
     
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    wow that is fucked up seriously!
     
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