Odell Beckham Jr. vs. Toxic Black Masculinity

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    Original Slate Article By Rafi D'Angelo: The Outing Campaign Against Odell Beckham Jr. Shows the Problem With Traditional Black Masculinity

    I hope Odell Beckham Jr. never comes out. Actually, I hope the New York Giants wide receiver isn’t even gay. I hope he ends up with the flyest chick on the block, and they give joint interviews where she says she enjoys a man who’s fun and lives his life and doesn’t feel the need to scowl 24/7, hunched over like a Neanderthal trying to protect his manhood.



    In case you missed it, there’s an outing campaign in progress against Beckham, because over the weekend someone posted a video to Instagram of him dancing with a friend. (Well, the same people calling his video “suspect” already said he was gay due to similar videos, but now I guess he’s even gayer.) This sort of witch hunt is the reason why black men and athletes still don’t like coming out of the closet, and black masculinity continues to make life more difficult for all of us, regardless of our sexuality.

    The response to this video is the difference between black masculinity and white masculinity in a nutshell. White men are allowed a greater range of expression before they are automatically considered gay. The boys in Marvel movies are always flirting and nobody cares. Matt McGorry can say his male co-star has a pretty mouth and nobody cares. Channing Tatum “vogued” and nobody cares.

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    But a black football player dances a little with a male friend and it’s proof-positive. In my own experience, a lot of my gay white friends are damn near distraught when someone calls them a “faggot.” I’m not good at consoling them since I hear it at least once a month—as a black man, if a white guy and I are going out in the same exact outfit, strangers will read him as “artistic” while I’m just “gay.”

    And that’s why I don’t want Beckham to be gay. If he does, in fact, bat for our team and takes it upon himself to come out at some point, good on him. We need more gay visibility in professional sports, especially hypermasculine ones like football. But more important, we need more black men who aren’t afraid to liveoutside of the box of black masculinity built for us by society and reinforced by our own community.

    If Beckham came out, he’d be met with “well, duh, look at him dancing around and acting like a faggot, we already knew that.” Beckham as a straight man—if the public ever truly accepts him as a heterosexual—is the type of black man we never get to see. For every Prince wearing heels and ass-less pants while unabashedly pursuing some of the most beautiful women on the planet, there are 10 black fathers telling their sons they can’t take ballet because it’s for “sissies,” or black women passing up black men deemed “too soft” for listening to Beyoncé, or black fans calling a celebrity “suspect” for wearing pants that are too tight. We’ve always had to be a little bit stronger, a little bit tougher, and a little more resilient than our white counterparts, and it has made us hypervigilant against any sign of weakness. Since we live in a society where being gay is the ultimate expression of being weak, anything associated with gay men must be avoided at all costs. No dancing, no fashion, no art. Don’t put whipped cream on your drink, because that’s gay. Don’t dye your hair, because that’s gay. Don’t put your arm around your friend, because y’all are gay. Don’t have fun in general, because that’s definitely gay.

    Masculinity is a double-edged sword for a lot of men, even if they’ve never given thought to the subject—especially black men who have the desire to break away from the stereotypes. On the one hand, it would be great to expand the boundaries of what it means to be a man in this society. Why can’t we dance? Why can’t we smile in pictures? Why can’t we wear what we want? Why can’t we have feelings or be vulnerable or be sensitive toward others? On the other hand, no one wants to break the mold because no one wants to be forced to give up their masculinity. No one wants their sexuality questioned, which by default makes you less of a man in the eyes of many onlookers. How do you expand the definition of black masculinity while still satisfying the desire to be seen as masculine in a society that tends toward misogyny and hating any of the negative traits commonly ascribed to femininity?

    A first step is following Beckham’s lead: Live your life. You do what you want, and to hell with everyone else. You dye your hair if you want. You wear tight pants if you want. You dance with your friend if you want. And then you go play football if you want.

    Perhaps more important, gay black men have to leave unconventional straight guys alone. It’s not just the homophobes on message boards calling for Beckham to come out—it’s us, too. Every time we comment on something he does with a quip like, “I see you, Sis!” we’re reinforcing those boxes. We’re saying that someone must be gay because he’s not adhering to the standards of black masculinity we’ve ascribed to heterosexual men. We’re setting back our own cause and our own push for acceptance by contributing to an us vs. them mentality, in which we’re over here interested in These Things and straight black men are over there interested in Those Other Things. If you’re over here in our interests, then you must be one of us, because why would you ever voluntarily jeopardize your place in Black Manhood if you weren’t an undercover queen?

    Why can’t we just let our black men be as carefree as white men? We already have so much to deal with in this society, largely stemming from the perpetuation of aggressive black masculinity, which continuously makes us seem a threat to white society. Let our boys have fun and smile. The entire world is set up with hurdles to make them fail. Why add to the stress with rules and regulations for how they should express themselves to be accepted as men in the community? Leave Odell Beckham Jr. alone. If he’s gay, y’all aren’t doing a good job convincing him to ever come out. And if he’s not, we need more men like him—don’t force him into a box somebody else made. Let him dance.
     
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    If Odell Beckham looked like this....black gay dudes would have *crickets* and *shrugs* for days...
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    Black men have allowed themselves to be painted in narrow little box and much of the time we do it to ourselves. Full disclosure I have joked on CA about Odell Beckham being "suspect" but that's was just me being a jerk, as I often am. However all jokes aside considering OBJ is from a different generation than me. A lot of millennial bruthas aren't as bound to hypermasculine tough guy image as dudes from my generation and that's overall a good thing. There's nothing wrong with Odell dancing and having a good time. That doesn't make him gay. But even if he is gay, which I doubt he is, being gay is not a crime. It's funny how the black community puts so much emphasis on finding out who is gay. I've said this before and I'll say it again in the black community you can be drug dealer, a thief, a murderer, a rapist, even a child molester *cough* R. Kelly *cough* and people will still love you. Just don't be gay. That's the worst possible thing for a black man to be.....at least that's what many black people think.
     
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    Believe it or not I would totally date this brutha.
     
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    I'm sick of this shit, honestly, and I hope he isn't gay. Black people worry about the dumbest shit.

    However, having a girl on his arms after these rumors is too soon, too much of a publicity stunt/cover up, so I hope he just chills and does him.
    But you know who would be a dope partner for him? Keke Palmer. She's silly and a little immature (on her off time) like him.
     
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    Well...maybe.... Ok you right. You right. Lol
     
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    I was thinking the same thing. If OBJ was white he wouldn't be considered gay. The black community is so obsessed with trying to out people. It's like we really have a hard time believing that one of our own is gay still.
     
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    People are so corny dude...I'm so tired of hearing about this...OBJ can do wtf he wants...I hope he's not gay either...I would hate for him to give all of those people the satisfaction...black men are painted a very narrow box...your either a thug (if you wear baggy clothes and talk a certain), an Uncle Tom (if you speak correct English and your clothes fit) or your gay...there's no in between for us and it's kind of unfortunate...I appreciate that he sort of breaks the mold of what we usually see from NFL players, which is these hyper masculine dudes with no personality and a scowl...
     
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    So let me take it a couple of steps further...
    If Odell Beckham is/was seen looking "suspect" with a white dude or white girl, black gay dudes would have not only raked him over the coals but stated in regards to the homophobic slurs allegations "oh well, that's what you get for dating them white folks."
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    with a side of :sass2: and two tablespoons of *crickets* and *shrugs*
     
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    Wrong forum bud. :whoa:
     
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    How you figure?
     
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    :dahell:Why is Ocky's default response to this essay to justify Black Heteros Homophobia and Gay Witch-hunting by focusing on Odell Beckham Jr's looks and Black Gays defense for him?

    Wasn't Ocky the one that wrote an 8,000 word essay about Empathy for Yusaf Mack and the DL Man? Maybe if Odell had done double penetration gay porn instead of innocently dancing in an Instagram video he would have something more substantive to say.
     
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    Yeah, Ocktavia, stop being messy
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    I don't believe that OBJ is gay but black people do it to themselves with the fragility behind the constructs of masculinity. If OBJ was white or Latino, people wouldn't care and they would just laugh it off. Those that are accusing him of being gay are really just black people.
     
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    Sigh.. typical and expected but no worries...

    This is a topic of conversation for a reason. If the root of the topic you're bringing fourth is not understood, you’re just being reactionary to the hype without really examining the issue. You know how I didn't do with the article that ‘featured’ Yusaf Mack towards the end? AND my reaction has nothing to do with Beckham but the ni@@as who really are only following this story because they view Odell as thirst trap pic fodder or bea. This is in the same vein how I don’t “dislike” Beyonce, I’m just not a follower of her music nor do I care for the stans who look at you with a side eye if you’re not a gay stan of hers …it’s no difference for me in this instance.

    I’m able to separate the majority of the issues surrounding this and not just lump them together for gay click bait. Like most articles I’ve read about this on gay websites they are all in the same one dimensional theme jumping on the victim bandwagon which is masculine = bad, non-masculine leaning = victim. I got my own mind…so I’m good.

    And to think this is coming from some who had a far worse reaction to Tre Melvin and Frank Ocean. Just do you..
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    When confronted with his own hypocrisy, @ockydub be like:
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    Nope not at all...maybe you didnt read. My issue isnt fully with Odell but the stans who feel he can do no wrong. No hypocrisy here dude.
     
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    You proved my point by posting more substance trying to defend yourself than on the actual topic. The initial essay made a lot of valid points that we've made in the past. Fortunately Odell isn't feeding into they hype like Yusaf Mack, Frank Ocean and Tre Melvin did.
     
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    Sigh... The topic is fine however its reactionary but yet again, just like the "Friends with Ex's" topic what's the point of conversation if minds are already made up? I'm learning that lesson not just with gay folk, gay feminist, white feminist and white conservatives, racism deniers and cop apologists on social media but here also. I'm good.
     
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    Hmmm, If you don't want to add substance to a conversation someone else posted, why comment at all then?

    I would argue the Odel Beckham discsussion is more relevant than the Yusaf Mack one since people at least know who the former dude is, Yusaf Mack was a nobody that did porn who you wanted to interview, yet NFL player Odell Beckham being witch-hunted is reactionary...Okay, cool...
     
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    Y'all can call me Uncle Phil from now on...

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    Again information, substance or logic is not relevant when minds are made up. If that was the case many people would not support Trump if they absorbed facts or listened to other logic when presented.

    The majority of gays was not checking for the NFL or Odell outside of eye candy thirst trap fodder. ONLY when allegations of "homophobic slurs" came out in the media AFTER (days later) Odell's fuked up actions on the field; gays jumped all over it to speak up and out against homophobia and hyper-masculinity (typical and understandable of the gay blogosphere). No one asked ANY questions but simply took the "homophobic slurs" and Odell supporters with face value.

    Having run this website for years, of all people you should know how agenda driven gays can be once something is in their cross hairs...seriously dude? Again the subject matter is fine and needed; however what is being presented is from a narrow gay lens focused on demonizing masculinity. Whomever can be fine with that; however I choose not to be. I can do that right?
     
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    @ockydub I'll respond properly this time.

    The man is good looking but I'm not sweating the nigga like that, it's all jokes. If he wasn't attractive I'd still question why do people care so much about his sexuality. This isn't from a gay perspective, I'm just a regular person wondering why do our people care so much about nonsense like this. Put your energy into something else.

    Why must I be an avid NFL fan in order to have any say in this? It doesn't matter if I follow NFL or not he makes headlines, so I see his ass everywhere on my timeline and news feeds just like everyone else and I have the right to comment. I see my facebook friends and relatives sharing articles from Bossip and Mediatakeout that have an agenda of outing or branding every heterosexual Black male as gay. Just nitpicking every fucking thing and calling it gay. Why do black people, gay or straight, want everybody to be gay so bad? That's my issue. That's a hit to their sexuality and masculinity. But people eat that shit up, posting "faggot this, faggot that", "agenda!", "Gay EPIDEMIC" without reading, doing research or realizing that its all fake/click bait. I'm talking heterosexuals that don't even follow football themselves but have so much to say about this Odelll shit. But if you want my gay ass to butt out then I gotcha.

    Nothing Odell does is "gay" and "effeminate" to me. I don't even know what masculine or feminine is anymore at this point (I'm dead ass). I'm also not seeing the "demonizing masculinity" from gays defending Odell either, can you explain further?


    And as for this, I see what you were doing here but I can only speak for myself and say that I don't give a shit. I'm not bothered by rich black men or athletes that date or hang out with white people. I just figured that most CA members here don't really care about that stuff either, so my previous reply was basically: "go take that up with those other gays." [that sounds arrogant but yeah...]
     
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    My point is still the same as explained with the very last reply I typed above. The game two sundays ago is the root or basis for the whole controversy. You can have your opinion but like with many gay bloggers who are writing these essays about "hyper-masculinity" and the parallels of Odell, are being reactionary when they don't have a clue on how it started. For many gay bloggers and many gays...the PR diversion worked on them. However for a lot of sports followers (gay and st8) or people who saw and followed this controversy from its origins, easily saw through this almost week long foolishness that Odell started.

    The actual topic is needed and valued (you know because I have discussed it numerous times on Cypher Ave); however using the NFL and Odell's umprofessionalism as the jump off is highly misguided (to me) and as with a lot of topics, simply muddies up the waters with lack of clarity.
     
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    See, you're full of shit and I have to call you out in front of the entire Squad. I see now that you're a part of the problem. Your tunnel vision "defense of masculinity" has blinded you to the fact that all this shit is connected. You're the #AllLivesMatter equivalent in this discussion.

    Just a few weeks ago YOU were the one who posted, not one, but TWO threads depicting Odell Beckham displaying suspect gay behavior. This was LONG before allegations of homophobic slurs came out, as you put it. Actually, no...this was long AFTER homophobic slurs occurred if you count the vitriol OBJ was getting from heterosexuals on social media. All for dancing in a joking way and appearing to be checking out a dude's ass on the field. Why did you feel the need to post those videos for conversation, but not want to engage in this one until after you were called out on it?

    And it doesn't matter about his looks because if you'd been paying attention, many black men have been singled out for being "suspect" as of late. From Young Thug to Russell Westbrook to Chris Bosh...none of them look as good as Odell Beckham Jr yet gays have either defended them or said let them do them.

    Justifying the attacks on men who dance a certain way in an obviously joking video adds rise to the mobs that go after your hero Yusaf Mack and other men forced to remain on the "DL." It perpetuates the atmosphere that black men can't do anything that's "suspect" because being gay is the worst thing you can be. A nikka can't even be fashionable or smell good without being called or suspected to be gay by straight black people. I'm mostly appreciating how these young bucks are saying, "I don't care how ppl view me, Imma do me."

    Going after the "reactionary" gays that are defending OBJ is an easy out when everyone else posting here clearly knows that the homophobic heteros and the defenders of black masculinity are the real problem...but since you fall into one of these two groups, I really shouldn't have expected a different response from you.
     
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    There are literally two conversations going on here. Im clear with my outlook on EACH of the topics that have haphazardly been lumped up into this big ball of fuckeries.

    If you don't know the origin, how can one properly make and present a full thoughtful opinion? I'm good bro.
     
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    We get what u were goin for, but u cant be using innocent folks as examples mofo!
     
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    Yall nigras be goin in lolol
     
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    I just love how the kid is doin him, n genuinely loves bein a ham (doesnt stand for hot azz mess, btw). I think its a great thing that he's enjoying a life that many guys would kill for. Not to mention, the kid has on field receipts.
     
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