Private Prison CEO Unconcerned About Hillary Clinton’s Pledge to End His Industry

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    As I was reading this article and wondering what will happen to this practice under a Clinton presidency...

    Immigration Officials Making Secret Deals With Private Prisons to Lock Up More Mothers and Children

    The below article confirmed my suspensions.

    THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE of the largest private prison company in America reassured investors earlier this month that with either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton in the White House, his firm will be “just fine.” Damon Hininger, the chief executive of Corrections Corporation of America, was speaking at the REITWeek investor forum.

    Private prisons have received a great deal of criticism this election cycle, first with Bernie Sanders campaigning to end for-profit incarceration, followed by Clinton taking up a similar pledge.

    After The Intercept revealed that the Clinton campaign had received campaign donations from private prison lobbyists, a number of activist groups confronted Clinton, leading her to announce that she would no longer accept the money and later declaring that “we should end private prisons and private detention centers.”

    But Corrections Corporation is apparently not concerned. Asked about prospects under Trump or Clinton, Hininger argued that his company has prospered through political turnover by taking advantage of the government’s quest for lower costs.

    “I would say that being around 30 years and being in operation in many, many states, and also doing work with the federal government going back to the 1980s, where you had Clinton White House, you had a Bush White House, you had Obama White House, we’ve done very, very well,” Hininger said.

    “If we continue to do a good job on the quality, and with that, we can demonstrate savings both on capital voids, but also cost savings in our services, then I think we’ll be just fine,” he said.

    “I think about the next president, whoever that is, if it’s Hillary Clinton or if it’s Donald Trump, there’s going to be so many things that he or she are going to have to deal with next year or next administration, both nationally and internationally, that I think having a view on our business, our industry is going to be really, really low on the priority list,” Hininger said.

    Listen to his June 8 comments below:


    Corrections Corporation was founded in 1983 by the former chair of the Tennessee Republican Party, who leveraged his political ties to win a number of government contracts to operate prison and immigrant detention facilities. The company has used its political influence to shape its rapid growth. Corrections Corporation used a third party advocacy group, the American Legislative Exchange Council, to lobby for “three strikes” and “truth-in-sentencing” laws that fueled the growth of prison populations, as well as for privatization laws that handed control of federal and state prison facilities to private operators. In recent years, the company’s lobbyists played a role in promoting state laws that encourage local police to arrest undocumented immigrants.

    The firm, which brought in $1.7 billion in revenue for the last fiscal year, has succeeded financially through aggressive cost-cutting measures. But critics say Corrections Corporation has endangered both prison guards and inmates by under staffing and failing to train employees, leading to multiple incidents of rape and killings at CCA-run prisons.

    Corrections Corporation is receiving renewed attention this week as Mother Jones publishes a 35,000-word investigation of a CCA-operated prison in Louisiana. Reporter Shane Bauer spent four months working as a prison guard at the facility, documenting systematic neglect of medical care and rampant violence. Robert Scott, an inmate in the prison, lost fingers and limbs to gangrene after the prison largely ignored his requests for serious treatment. Bauer, who worked at $9 an hour with little formal training, found that the company failed to report multiple stabbings to the state government, despite laws that require documentation of such incidents.
     
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    As a Clinton supporter said on The Boards previously, "We're casting a vote for her as President, not Jesus."

    She no doubt will be the best Republican president this country has had in decades.
     
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    So it is up to us as decent citizens to push this issue like a it needs to be fought. There has to be a group already opposed to this for profit private prisons. I will support Bernie or anyone who fights this disgusting and contemptible practice of private prisons. Private for profit industry has NO PLACE in the prison system.

    If there is movement for ending this, I am for it send me the links the info so maybe me and people like me can make it a large mass movement so these jackoffs will get a big surprise. There are for profit prisons in Ohio and they are well known for having poorer services for inmates and for being much more dangerous for inmates.

    If Hillary really does just bullshit us on this and gets into bed with these people, then she needs to be thrown naked into a Turkish prison. I will not be forgetting this promise(' “we should end private prisons and private detention centers.”)that is for damned sure. The least she can do is end this despicable practice of for profit private prisons-just sickening and morally reprehensible on so many levels. Makes my blood boil.
     
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    Question: what difference does it make if the prisons are contracted or government owned? Isn't the issue incarceration or sentencing regardless of who runs and mans the institution? @ColumbusGuy , do you think things would be any better if these institutions were public not private?

    Why is this a criticism aimed at Clinton per se, but not Obama, Bush II, Trump, Sanders, GOP House and Senate, et al?

    As for Clinton being the best "Republican President," her policies are in line with DNC policies since the late 1980s, when the Democratic Leadership Council became the ascendant prevailing policy guides in the party. Since most Democrats, including the Congressional Black Caucus, have supported the policies, shouldn't you criticize them as well?

    I'm not defending or negating Clinton or the issue. I'm just saying it needs to be addressed in a more systemic way than making it an issue of Clinton's personality. For example, if this Mother Jones author witnessed things like prisoners losing limbs due to mistreatment and neglect, a more permanent solution would be lawsuits based on civil and human rights infringements, or challenging government's irresponsibility (and neglect of duty) for handing over its authority to private entities without oversight. Shouldn't the author have at least made an attempt to report these things to state/federal authorities rather than just write an article? Also, did this author hand back the earnings made on this job? If not, the author profited from CCA and ultimately had no more moral authority than the corporation. Kind of like a PETA member going undercover as a butcher/meat packer for Burger King; you still have blood on your hands regardless as to your so-called original intent.
     
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    HRC gets lambasted over the prison issue because, until Bernie called her out on it, the prison lobby was funding her campaign and she made a show of giving them back their money and vowing to end the privatization of them. I personally do think incentivizing people's incarceration by making prisons an industry is bad news (and their lobby is one of the reasons why the prison system has gone from focusing on rehabilitation to simply removing the criminal element from society.) Right now we're at a point where we can stop that from happening before it becomes an integral part of our society like healthcare. There are just some things people should not profit off of.
     
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    The State and the Feds know that the private prisons are providing inferior services and are overcrowding the prisons. The fundamental difference(look at the CEO's talking) is about reason for being. Public institutions are about running the best with what they have-private are about making $$$-that is what they exist for-not to just provide a service but to make $$$$$ while doing it. That is what happens when business is allowed to run wild-profit motive causes other things to suffer-and this is party due to lack of or insufficient oversight-but again, Kasich and the state government are willing to turn a blind eye. Just like a chemical factory will pollute the shit out of an area for increased profit if the EPA/other authorities are not watching it like a hawk, these for profit private prisons will cut services, cut staff, increase inmate populations to increase profit-if they can get away with it. And they have been because of lack of governmental oversight/lack of response to increasingly worse conditions.

    There is a reason the Feds stopped working with that private prison in Youngstown. And look at the statistics-the private prisons are overcrowded, have way more problems and complaints, and are way more dangerous. Yes I have a moral problem with it, but also a problem with how they actually function in real life. They are wrong and they suck at providing basic services including health and safety issues.

    Clinton is underfire because she also invested in them and made money off of them. She actually personally made money of off this atrocious thing-which I have not heard of with any other politician. They would be in the same boat if they made money in the same disgusting way.

    And they were better as public prisons-the public institution that was sold for 72 million to the private for profit corporation quickly went downhill as it became overcrowded(intentionally to make more $$) became understaffed, complaints went way up, assaults doubled or tripled, etc. It is factual evidence that is presented in the info. Over the years you do hear occasional stuff about public prisons( medical attention not given, staph outbreaks, etc) but the stuff from the private prisons is worse IMO-more severe, more deaths, assaults, bad conditions, etc. (this last part is just from my own recollections of what I remember reading or hearing so not scientific or anything of course).

    I think it is immoral and unethical for people to make money off of other people's incarceration(unless the money goes as compensation to the victims of the crimes or their families if warranted by the crime), and I think private for profit prisons do not work unless they are strictly monitored and controlled, and that is not happening when the state is doing this to 'save money'-they are not then going to spend extra $$$ to monitor the prisons when they allow them to exist to save money in the first place..
     
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    President Obama was never involved in this, but Sanders is not in a position to morally criticize Clinton (check his legislative actions and such institutions in Vermont). And to be fair, black activists and media organizations such as Project Censored and FAIR were making an issue of this in the 90s before Sanders was even a thought (or a thot). But you are right, this is not something that should be farmed out in the name of contracting, as contractors will become rent seekers and actually drive criminal law to benefit them rather than society (e.g. lobbying legislators to turn misdemeanors into felonies so that people who may have only previously had a fine or probation for an infraction get incarceration). Both parties, however, have greased their rectums for the big contracting conglomerates like CCA, KBR and Halliburton, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for change (and there are black politicians and businesses that profit from the prison industrial complex as well).
     
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    Yeah I forgot about them wanting to criminalize everything to get more 'fodder' for $$$. And yeah they all have some guilt-they are politicians and they are all corrupt-just to different degrees and in different ways. And we should make a huge issue of this. It is something I could really get behind because I oppose it in every way possible. It will be a tough road though.

    We need some real good old fashioned muckrakers to raise public awareness and some good PR people to also get the message across-most of these people are going to get out, and what does prison do for most people? Do we want even more people in violent overcrowded prisons(especially for minor non-violent crimes) so they can come out as hardened embittered convicts? Harmless pot smokers put in nasty private prisons and coming out as hardened criminals with PTSD to a community near you? You know..that kind of PR.
     
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    The reason why I personally skew libertarian and non partisan is that, having worked in the public sector, I know that they are just as criminal as the private sector at times. The massive corruption and taxpayer paid fraud I saw in Iraq was astounding. That's what's so sad about these right wing flag waving idiots. The 3000 troops that died in Iraq died for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except to help Halliburton and KBR to turn a profit, and I have no problem saying that as an OIF vet my damn self.

    Your government hard at work. For example, the federal EPA regularly colludes with polluters and the FDA might as well be an extension of the pharmaceutical industry. Where was the EPA for the black people of Flint? This despite the President trying to make Herculean strides against the cronyism and graft. So, yes, private prisons and profits must go, but let's not act as if Da Guv'Mint is a panacea. Most of the shit that has been done to black folk was done by the government, including Democrats and liberals (*cough*cough*Kennedys**Johnson**COINTELPRO**cough*). If voters weren't so stupid and lazy they would strive to keep BOTH the private and public sectors on their toes.
     
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    Yes there is massive fraud and corruption. But ask yourself, was it better way back when?...you know, when there was no government oversight at all? Before the EPA? Before The Food and Drug Administration? Before the muckrakers? Even though the gov.t is bad to ok at this, bad to ok can be improved and is better than worse-as in the case with these private for profit prisons. I am not saying that the state run facilities are great and problem free, just that the private ones are worse and by design will be that way(and the extra monitoring for them and problems they generate in so many lasting ways outweighs any initial cost benefits).
     
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    "If Hillary really does just bullshyt us on this and gets into bed with these people, then she needs to be thrown naked into a Turkish prison."
    Shame............shame.............shame...............shame.....
     
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    Bruh, how fortunate; you picked the clip of the one and only episode of Game of Thrones I've ever seen, lol. But for the actual Turkish prison experience you have to reference "Midnight Express" with the late Brad Davis (who was sort of an early bi version of the later, improved model, Brad Pitt)
     
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    Yep. Great movie wasn't it?

    Although given what I have seen from Brazilian prisons recently... including a video of a guy being burned severely by burning plastic as he is missing a hand and tied to a dead man...and is then forced to start eating the dead man...and then is fed his own severed fingers, which he swallows one by one as they are fed to him. And this was not a movie....but two separate videos from a real Brazilian prison. About as bad as the worst Mexican cartel video I have ever seen-which has left me permanently scarred. I will not watch another cartel video. I should never have started watching that stuff to begin with.

    :dafuq3::dahell::mindblown::scust:


    Maybe something a little less violent but still appropriate?

     
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    Yikes! Remind me to stay on my ps and qs if I ever go to Brazil!
     
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