So last Labor Day featured the Annual Black Gay Pride celebration in Atlanta where tons of Gay men migrated to the city to celebrate their gayness. I guess. Here’s what you missed:
Yaaay Fun!!
Dry humping in clubs and public parks with only your underwear on!
Yaaay, I’m just spurting Black Gay Pride all over the place!
No seriously, did seeing that video make you “Proud”? Did it fill you up with the inspiration many felt after watching “The Butler”? Or the same pride felt on the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington?
Did you think, “What’s the big deal? Looks like there were having a lot of fun? What’s the harm? Straight people act like this Black Straight Pride events, too.”
If so, more power to you. I’m not here to convince anyone to not live your gay life the way you want to. Conversely, I should be afforded that same right as well. That’s just not my scene. Granted that video did not represent the full picture of what happens on Labor Day in Atlanta, but its clear that many black gay pride events are becoming the homosexual equivalent to the infamous freaknik events of the 90s.
Now we here at Cypher Avenue have been VERY critical of Gay Pride events and the Gay Lifestyle in general:
Is the “Gay Lifestyle” Really For Me?
Lacking Standards At Pride Parades
Discreet City Podcast: Episode 07
Typically, the salacious sex-driven gay culture just doesn’t interest us. On top of that, are the sexual & superficial messages these events send out prideful in a community plagued with high HIV transmission rates and full on depression spawned from the pressures of maintaining a certain appearance, weight, fashion image and financial status to just fit into the black gay community?
We’re raising a culture of young gay men who feel forced to spend 10 months slaving away in the gym, just to show off their stomachs for 2 months of the year for a little attention and self esteem…or even just to get a date.
And the sex. Sure I’m a man, I like looking at a little flesh just as much as anyone. However some of the antics seen at Atlanta’s Black Gay Pride seem extreme and irresponsible given the community’s huge problem when it comes to sexually transmitted diseases.
My gay friends and I have had loads of fun in the past without the need to rip off each others shirts, oil ourselves up and dry-hump strangers in public parks (Dr. King would be so proud).
But because I’m black and I’m gay, I can’t escape being associated with the “proud” gay scene no matter how hard I try. This is meant to inform who I am as a black gay man. This is supposed to make me proud, instead of just plain embarrassed.
People have said to us in the past, “Your criticism of the gay community is just proof that you have a problem with being homosexual in general. You’re internally homophobic. You need to just be yourself, stop acting straight.”
Sigh.
That’s it, isn’t it? When it all boils down to it, gay people who embrace the stereotypical gay lifestyle, salacious gay pride events and the problematic gay community are all “authentic gays”. Those that don’t, they’re either self haters or they just deep-down want to be straight.
This sounds familiar. You know when an ignorant “hood nigga” sees the black kid who can speak properly or reads books says he’s “acting white”…or when you have someone like Don Lemon or Cornel West speak contrary to the cookie-cutter black-elite sanctioned opinions, they get called “Uncle Tom.”
According to them, they’re not just individuals who have their own opinions, interests and ways of being…they are actually self-hating wannabes. Sounds like the same situation here.
Again, I’m not trying to take away the sense of “Gay Pride” you feel by dry humping oiled up male models wearing only rainbow flag colored underwear in public places. If that is how you define and celebrate your homosexuality, more power to you. I, on the other hand, define and display my sexuality in a much different way. This website, for one. That should be enough. Why should we have to conform to someone else’s view of “Gay” in order to be fully and proudly gay ourselves?
Gooble-Gobble! One of Us! Gooble-Gobble! One of Us!
That’s the rub. These “one of us” gays all want me to embrace their way of life as AWESOME but they refuse to give other gay people that same courtesy.
This weekend I got into a Twitter debate with one of our readers on this very issue. After getting frustrated that I wouldn’t concede and reject everything that has made me a happy black gay man in exchange for embracing a more inclusive flamboyant gay lifestyle like himself, he said this: “At the end of the day you suck dick. If masc or fem in USA u still a fag not gay. Get over (yourself) look for decent people first.”
Huh? Okay. It goes without saying that the conversation pretty much ended shortly after that.
Sarcasm aside, the point that he so inarticulately was trying to make was: Don’t fear embracing the flamboyancy of the gay community just because you fear what heterosexuals will think of you or how they will view you. Embrace flamboyant gays into your circle (even though you don’t have anything in common except for being attracted to men) because at the end of the day, you’re “still a fag”.
Whoa, he really “read” us, huh? Cue applause from our black gay (so-called) intellectual elites:
Ah, gay elites…Your hypocrisy is so beautiful. You want Heteros to accept you for who you are but refuse to accept some gay men for who they are if they differ from your narrative. An exquisite contradiction.
But in this case, they actually have a valid point…unfortunately this point HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US AT CYPHER AVENUE. We could care less about heterosexual approval or assimilation. We run a VERY gay website. If hetero approval was our concern, Cypher Avenue would be the last thing we’d spend years building and creating.
No, our discomfort has more to do with us feeling like we’re a part of the gay community in name only. We seemingly have very different likes and dislikes than most other gay men.
Another often unspoken side effect of criticizing the black gay community is when you do, someone will always feel rejected or attacked. To say I don’t like black gay sex-parties, the people out there that do like gay sex-parties will feel personally attacked. In their feeble minds you are saying, “I don’t like people who like black gay sex-parties.” Even a reader of our site took my simple “shout out” on Twitter to “all the fellow gay men who don’t watch Scandal” as a personal attack.
I’m slowly learning that I should really stay off of Twitter.
So, instead of trying to force the black gay community into becoming more to our liking, we started our own community here at Cypher Avenue. And we’re loving it. We finally feel like there is a place for us to voice our interests, opinions and attitudes as black gay men in a non-messy environment amongst a community of others who think just as we do.
This brings me back to the question in the title: After viewing the debacle that was Atlanta Black Gay Pride 2013, am I still a proud black gay man?
You betcha. Mainly because I didn’t attend the shameless festivities of that weekend, even though I live in Atlanta.
I instead chose to continue to make Cypher Avenue an example to influential young gay men that being gay doesn’t mean changing who you already are in order to demonstrate your self acceptance and pride. You can like what you like, dislike what you dislike and be who you are without conformity.
More power to the men out there that enjoyed the festivities of Black Gay Pride 2013…even more power to the men out there that found ways to demonstrate their homosexual pride in more mature, classier ways. There are many young gay men out there watching and learning from us all.
Fini.
Yes I’m still proud to be a black gay man. At 22 I’ve learned to define what it means to be a black gay male myself. Not through the lens of someone else’s experience nor the so called black gay intellectual elites. If people want to go to ATL and frolick in these hedonistic activities, by all means go. Just don’t get take it personal if I decide to spend my proud weekend going against the norm. For me black gay pride is being able to be yourself, and do whatever you so desire without the threat of backlash, discrimination or harm.
Very well stated @mike350. Thanks for that input.
@ nick
I see you have acknowledged that we are all so different. There will be a 100 different interpretations of Gay pride as there are people that attended. The hope is there were different events happening to cater to the varied taste that exists. What you presented does not represent anyone in the gay community – no one. Each person represented themselves. There will hardly ever be a time when all gay men and women are on the same playing field, except if Beyonce dies and that too will have people who differ.
One thing is for sure – the HATERS only see this public display of the LGBT community and make their conclusions and that my friend does not make me proud . Then again, they, like those people in the LGBT suffer from ignorance. I will not attempt to argue with ignorance. It makes them look good.
As I watched that video, I asked myself if I could possibly fit into that crowd without feeling out of place and/or disgusted. And the answer was a resounding NO! I’ve always wondered how someone could feel lonely or even depressed in an age where we can connect with people from all over the world? But that is exactly the feelings I sometimes struggle with because I don’t quite fit into those types of crowds. Obviously, there is nothing to be prideful of in this video. It’s nothing but debauchery and buffoonery mixed with sexual recklessness.Trust me, I’m not a prude – I like sexy masculine looking men just as any gay man would, but where exactly is the “pride” in seeing drag queens and half naked men prancing around for 2-3 days? I can continue ranting, but I’ll just leave it at that! Thanks for the read @Nick.
LOL no doubt @blackpegasus. To each his own is what I say. I like occasionally ritualistic displays of sexuality and debauchery as well…but not under the banner of “Gay Pride.” If the event is about displays of sexuality, HIV awareness, passing out condoms, etc they should just call it what it is, “The Gay Sex Parade.” Even the organizers of Freaknik weren’t naive enough to call that annual event “The Atlanta African American Empowerment & Equality Celebration Weekend” LOL
How old are you? 67? Take off the Depends and go get you some!!! Just playing lol.
I haven’t been to ATL Pride in a few years so I’m not sure what they selling now a days. But I know I went right after I accepted I was gay and was actually shocked to see all of the masculine men at an event in the park. At the time I just didn’t know it existed so I don’t think this video showcases all of the positives.
As far as what was stated in your twitter beef(You seem to get into a lot of those lol) I don’t agree with the delivery but I can kind of see the point. When I was first coming out I was nervous and freaked out by flamboyant men(weird since I’m apparently feminine). My mentor told me “you see as gay as you think they are, when the world knows you are gay, you’re all in the same boat at the end of the day.” I think that’s really true.
Sidenote: You could have said this was the West Indian Day Parade out in Brooklyn and I wouldn’t have known the difference.
First of let me say thanks for a good piece! Being a young African American male in Atlanta I see where your coming from. I think I may have participated in Gay pride 2 times in the 6 years I’ve lived here in Atlanta. One thing I can say from observation is that it has come a little ways from being solely about sex and clubbing to them trying to make it something a little more( with the vendors at the park, health booths, and so forth). However when people ask me what I’m doing during Labor day weekend I tell them either I’m going out of town or I’ll be in my house watching movies. I’m believe that for 3 days Atlanta becomes this sex utopia for men who’s only idea of gay is what is force fed to them by mainstream America. These are guys from towns where there are no masculine gay figures, and they don’t know there is such a thing as being masculine and gay. Most think that masculine gays are a rarity. (Side note thanks for the One of us video because I wondered where the allusion came from on Orange is the new Black). I don’t think “Black Pride” will change until we can change the mindset of what it means to be a Gay African American male. I’m just glad I got with the right people at an early age so that I didn’t fall victim to this exploitation and degradation of an already misunderstood culture.
I totally agree @ace6, I’ve been in Atlanta 10 years and only participated in black gay pride twice as well. Also, you accurately point out that while there are the health vendors and artists at pride, they are way out-shined by the over-the-top antics seen in the videos and photos. The best times I had during pride weekends was when I got invited to the private parties. Those were both fun and respectable.
Like most of the brothers on here Pride festivities are not my thing. I am always aware that as a single father I have to conduct myself wisely at all times. However, the issue at hand as I see it, is the lack of masculine role models. The problem is that many of us masculine brothers most often do not want to be “out there”. The issue then becomes one of visibility. If we want to help the young brothers, we must be visible.
That’s the self fulfilling prophecy I always see. Masculine gay men complain at length that there are no masculine gay role models but most masculine gay men don’t wanna be seen on the scene so to speak. Masculine gay men say they don’t go to pride events because there’s no masculine men there. The irony is suffocating. It’s the same with reality tv. They say they want to see representations of masculine gay men on tv but they aren’t lining up to be on reality tv shows.
Ditto..it just doesnt require us to be in bikini draws in a club! We gotta figure sumthin out tho..
I have been in Atlanta for 10 years now and this was my first time participating in Black Pride with friends. Nothing surprised me this is the norm. I try not to judge people and yes some people cross the line and yes I found some people disgusting but I also felt that these people should have a right to express themselves freely. Yes the clubs were packed and people were wild but I meet some really cool people and I would not have a changed a thing. I am glad black gay people are so different.
I’ve only been once and it was everything I expected. While there were a lot of people who dressed and acted in ways that I wouldn’t, I have to say I enjoyed myself. I got a chance to see some friends who I hadn’t seen in a few months, ate amazing food and met some pretty cool men and women. Sure, like any event you have those people who you think should have stayed home, but you know, they have a right to be there as well and to live the lives that only they know how to live.
critical thinking….clear articulation….fact and truth laden….passionate (lovingly) expressed….
Articles and point of views like THIS is what attracted me to Cypher Avenue….and it’s what keeps me coming back for more. THANK you.
Thank you @darnell-ishmel …We will do our best to keep it coming!
I didnt even bother watching the video. I all ready know its not my scene. What I CAN say tho is that @nick n @ocky created a site that made me realize Im not the only person in my lane. I remember moving to Philly for college n being blown away by how many young kids were queening out as teens. I wondered why so many young gay men decided that they were supposed to be fem…n I realized that examples of masculine functional gay men are few n far between. That reality, combined with discovering this site, led me to a ‘coming out’ at 31. U uys keep it up because cypher/dc was really a catalyst for a major life change. Im grown as hell, but I can only imagine how influential this site can be to a young 16/17/18 year old who doesnt know what to do with himself becus he likes guys. U guys’ work does not go in vain.
Thanks @sb3000! Means a lot to know that the website is helping others as much as its helping ourselves when it comes to our sexual identities. Thanks for your revealing personalized input into the conversation.
I do agree with u that there isnt a balance of examples for young gay youth out there. Everybody needs to find somebody or people they identify with and usually its the fem groups that are out there and accepting of these kids. I know when I was coming out I didn’t fit in anywhere so I jus hug with everybody. But in reality man, masculine dudes don’t seem to be willing to step up and creat examples I.E. start support groups or discussions for gay youth who identify as masculine. No one wants to be the first
yo, im tryna do exactly that..jst tryna be an example of a masculine dude who likes dudes..i spent many years on the dl..many..n its not necessary..i want young dudes to kno that being gay isnt about the way u act..u be u..but its also ok to be a masculine man who ppl dont even kno happens to be gay..but that takes examples
N Im gonna make it clear b4 any1 has a spazzfest..there’s no anti-fem thing going on..i was simply acknowledging the fact that many young gay men have examples of feminine men, but dont have examples of masculine men who also happen to be gay. N we gotta appreciate cypherave for what it is.
Yeah I think thats the key point: Examples of men we personally identify with, in our case, reserved masculine gay men. Seems their “spazzfest” is caused by a complete disconnect in how we can’t identify with flamboyant characters like Ru-Paul, Noah’s Arc and the attention seeking masc/fem guys with no inhibitions at Gay Prides.
To them, if we reject any of those examples of gay men, that’s rejecting our homosexuality, aka self-hate. I may not have a female best friend, but that doesn’t mean that I hate or am disgusted by women. I may not have a jock best friend, but that doesn’t mean that I hate sports or ppl who play them. LOL.
yall just keep up the good work man! it’s a lot more long-awaited n necessary than ppl will ever kno..n I kno its like a second full-time job to do this, n I just want u guys to realize it doesnt go over EVERYONE’S heads..thank you guys..i know if it helped me at 31 it’s prob doing wonders for youngins
Great article and I love the site . I’m very interested I’m everyone’s perception of where black gay culture stands. I agree as a whole most Pride celebrations I’ve attended are heavy on party promotion and EXTREMELY LITE on discussions, cultural event and HIV awareness. And even if they have them no one turns out.
On the flip side I love to see people having a good time and embracing PRIDE in their own way (and I’m not referring to explicit sex) because 30-40 years none of that was possible and that is cause for CELEBRATION. I dont really go to any prides and dont consider myself fem but am an advocate FOR ALL gays. I do get the general sentimate of the article, but what I hate to see is gay men attempt to vilify other gay men that choose to dress in drag or are flamboyant in nature because they dont identify with it. We may all identify with different forms of the male persona, but we are all truly in this lifestyle as a whole.
Pride and this life is the experience you make of it. In every corner of this lifestyle there WILL ALWAYS be salacious sexual activity…some of just choose to do it in secret (online), lol..others choose to do it in public…is either right or wrong.
I have to say that while I enjoy reading Cypher Avenue, I definitely get the sense that ultimately, you guys are doing the EXACT same thing that you accuse “them” of doing: ostracizing and criticizing that sect of the culture that doesn’t happen to agree with you and what you like. I do truly believe that you would love for people to embrace their individuality, but your semantics do read as discriminatory and disregarding of them. I definitely agree with the idea that a lot of men just “fall into” being feminine, especially if they come out young. Just try to cut folks a little more slack is all. This is an awesome discussion to have. I hope y’all can keep it going!
Ridiculous. The same reason why I myself don’t attend these dumb ass events about “pride”. There’s nothing to be proud of when it comes to publicly displaying sexual acts, walking around looking like freaks dressed in drag or leather as being associated with being homosexual. No people. Gay pride is so suppose to represent, the struggle we and our forefathers had to go through and still go through just to be treated as equals, to be respected as and looked upon as men- despite are strong feminine nature, to represent the strength we’ve acquired through self-love, self-awareness and unity amongst our gay black brothers and sisters. Let not the way we act, look, dress, socialize, or sexuality define us as being homosexual and African American, but the undeniable unconditional love for the same sex, the appreciation of the male and female human physique, the uniqueness we each possess, our unity and strength as one, our emotional understanding of both sexes and becoming the medium or bridge between the two, and world of possibilities that have yet to be discovered, define us as homosexual AND African American.
This is what I aim for, is to show that there are gay men and women who don’t want to be identified with the mainstream gay medium because it offends us resulting in our right to voice our opinions. All I’m trying to say is that if we are to have a parade about gay pride then it should be educational, respectable, inspirational and tasteful. As for the celebration of sexuality that should be a separate parade all on it’s own without any association to defining gay men and women. Such a parade would justify dressing in Drag, leather, nudity and public displays of sexual acts. Both parades I would proudly go to and enjoy to the fullest because there would be no blurred lines, no labeling nor confusion.
Yeah Pride events in major American cities are often alienating, irrelevant to pressing gay issues – even counterproductive.
As a matter of contrast, Uganda, my current country of residence, just had a second (illegal) pride parade. Last year’s parade resulted in several arrests. I understand this year went more smoothly, although the turnout was still miniscule.
For the record, I didn’t attend: I’m American and, for a variety of (good) reasons, I am no longer involved in Uganda’s GLBT issues. They already have several high-profile, effective activists – even after David’s murder – who receive vast international support. Foreign involvement must be carefully calculated because it can backfire: I’m not going to risk making things worse.
All that aside, pride parades in gay-unfriendly countries can be a remarkable act of courage – and quite productive, in terms of visibility and social justice. I’m delighted it continues to be effectively organized – ostensibly without foreign help/influence, which is ideal.
Let’s just hope that, no matter what shape Uganda Pride takes over the coming decades, it manages to become more productive than many Pride parades in major US cities.
If I was younger and someone had shown me that video or any current hip hop video (do people even make videos anymore?)I would think Pride was nothing more than a 3 sex party for guys 18-25 with a 30 inch & under waste with no taste in music…..but I’m not, I’m a 44yr old house head that went to clubs that played deep house by DJ’s who actually played wax records with men of color of all ages in the club having a good time, that can remember people going to DC for Memorial Day weekend, L.A. for the 4th and Atlanta for Labor Day before anybody organized it, when the only ones walking around in their drawz were the actual dancers, when dancers looked manly and people actually danced. Good or bad those were the days…..
These so-called “pride” events are mirroring what is found in the larger gay pride scene. It is really just a giant orgy. The black pride events are just targeted at black gays since there is still wide spread racism I’m the larger gay movement that gets swept under the rug. That said these events offer nothing to be proud of they just reinforce the narrative that homosexual men are deviants who indiscriminately have sex with any male. I’ve always found these events to be a circus that I wanted no part of. They don’t address the problem of how the black church, the black community, and American society attacks black gay men. They promote unhealthy pathological behaviors. They also fetishize Black male sexuality. We need to abandon this “pride” BS and promote healthy sexuality and relationships for black gay men. I’m much more proud of the two young bruthas from Memphis, TN and the two bruthas from South Africa who got married. They show that being a black gay man is not a shameful thing and you can embrace who you are without dancing in the street wearing rainbow underwear.
I really can’t agree more: you’re so on-point.
If this was solely about pride, then what about the fact that gays must congregate to a select number of Amercian cities to even have these parades? That is, what is the pride parade like in Jackson, Spokane, or Tulsa? And, as you mentioned, what about the fact that a separate parade for black gays is clearly necessary?
Are we too busy twerking each other to pay attention?
I swear, in contrast, we need a gay summit, where discourse is democratized instead of owned by the HRC, Dan Savage, and Modern Family oligarchy.
Although they might be acting a bit crazy, even the ripped dudes in the pool and on the float DO have valuable opinions – and need an outlet besides Pride to be heard.
I swear, we need an action-oriented GLBT summit where all groups have a platform (e.g masculine dudes, gay veterans, disabled gays, elderly gays, gays of all descents, etc) have a place equal to HRC.
Right now, it’s like the Security Council represents all gays, when we need a damn General Assembly! (geeky analogy, sorry, but it works).
I went to the ATL Black Pride last year and there actually were several stimulating and educational events. There was a black gay poetry session, a black gay literature discussion, a market session for black gay business owners to sell their products, forums on the “State of Black Gay America” all at the host hotel. But of course those don’t get as much attention nor highly attended …. See people like to dwell on the negative attention thirsty dirt queens who apparently got you in their trap …. they thrive off the attention (good or bad) you give them. That’s why I basically ignore and avoid them …. if I see too many I always leave.
And I met several great, professional men from across the country @ ATL blk pride who could hold a conversation & seemingly well put together (and handsome!!). In fact I met my now dear/close friend there. I avoided the real ratchet young spots/events and went to the more decent/mature ones …. simple as that and it paid off.
So it’s really what you make it. If you go there looking for ratchet & ignorant thugs/queens you’ll find it. But if you looking for better than you’ll find it too … just all about your agenda. ATL blk pride attracts a quite diverse crowd & even a more diverse selection of events to attend contrary to popular belief …. I mean most people I saw last year were regular guys who happen to be gay believe it or not.
This was really nice to read. Pride could be a great opportunity to build alliances, learn from each other, and bring national attention to under-addressed GLBT issues.
Obviously, that’s not usually the point of American pride parades, which would be fine (with me) if more useful events also occurred concurrently – such as those you describe.
Pride parades ARE a giant mass of GLBT people (ATL black pride numbers about 60,000!) who could also take a minute to discuss questions like: “what should we do, if anything, about the fact that we even NEED a separate pride parade?”
…in between twerks.
Still, perhaps social networking sites allow us to make up the difference, a little bit: if we’re not going to support each other in a substantive way during Pride, then maybe we can try to collaborate online, somehow? I don’t know.
First, is that a reference to Tod Browning’s “Freaks”?!? That is awesome.
Second, yeah, I’ve never enjoyed much of what passes as the “main” gay pride events, though I did attend the Literary Cafe and enjoyed that. I usually attend the Speakfire showcase as well, but unfortunately I didn’t make it out this year.
I guess i am a little confused, i think a lot of what all the under clothes waring in public is more a function of 1.Self expression (i guess that is something that is forgotten when it comes to freedom of speech)2. The reason the flamboyant peepz and youngens do all that wildness is more a function of the ability to express them self without fear of direct onsite oppression by a governmental law enforcement arm. there use to be a time in this country that the cops could walk into a club that had gay people and shut it down by way of the vice squad and you went to jail with a perp walk and pictures in the local newspaper. The ones who stood up for the right to exist were not the masculine unclockable gay peeps, it was the DRAG QUEENS AT stonewall in New York, if for 51 weeks people are oppressed in employment,housing,education and are unable to function as a gay person due to fear of being cut off from family, church, or even kicked out of their family cause they are gay just wanna have fun how about just let it be, Black prides are an
extension of the fight for black people to get their peace of the american dream inside the frame work of the black community, PROUD YES!!! CAUSE if this was Russia, Iran , UGANDA you could get jailed or worse.voltaire express my feeling ” i do not agree with what you have to say(TWERK IT) but i’ll defend to the death your right to say it” i attended pride in my city and yes it felt good sans twerkin” just live and let live , U feel…
If they feel it is completely ethical to walk around the way they do, then it is 100% THEIR CHOICE. Why hate on it? If anyone is so against pride events then here’s the solution… DON’T GO, DON’T WATCH, DON’T PARTICIPATE. As a gay man myself, I can honestly say these men in are not a representation of me or my character, I am FAR more than my sexuality, I answer to my own identity. There is no “US” once we start to hate on each other for being how we want to be. Granted, would I walk around like that? No, because it’s not my personality or in my character to do so, but I can’t judge them for being themselves no matter how outlandish or flamboyant it may seem, at least they are confident and comfortable and you have to respect them for that. They aren’t perfect, but at least they are not editing themselves to please people that really don’t matter. Disrespecting them because you don’t approve won’t get you anywhere except bitter and angry.
This article reminds of the attitude that some well-to-do blacks have towards blacks who sag their pants and wear corn rows. Why is there always a group that believes that the world would be a better place if only they could restrict and control another group of people.
It’s not about control or restriction; it’s about calling out and recognizing foolishness. Folks can be free just as I can be free to speak on the salaciousness. Just like you just spoke your opinion…get it?
Just curious; are fat people allowed at gay pride? It just seems like PRIDE is about body images and sex.
I imagine that they are ha ha. But it just seems like a giant festival aimed at hooking up. A good friend of mine got a job as an underwear model by attending a Pride event and talking to people. It also seems like a place for the HRC to ask for donations, which isn’t so bad I suppose.