How many of y'all joining the Mo'nique boycott of Netflix?

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  1. RolandG

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    We all know that there is a pay gap between blacks and whites in virtually every industry. Even larger between black women and whites. I can understand Mo'Niques frustration but, for some reason, she just always comes across and angry and bitter which takes away from her arguments. Putting my bias aside, how many of you think this is a valid call to arms and how many people are going to be giving up their Netflix and chill to support Mo'Nique?




    Black women comics are calling for a boycott of Netflix
     
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    I have no problem that she spoke out. I just disagree with her strategy of boycotting Netflix. It makes no sense. Alot of black people rely on Netflix for entertainment. Alot of people aren't going to the movies every weekend. Folks are cutting expensive cable packages. Netflix is a amazing cheap form of entertainment. So for a rich comedian to tell black folks to boycott for her issue. Im just not so sure.

    And I see so many people on social media saying unless you are a black woman you can't disagree with Monique. What?? These folks are too far to the left with this.
     
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    My thing is...Netflix has every right to offer what they want to these comedians. I would def feel a certain type of way if ONLY Amy Schumer and Dane Cook were offered million dollar specials...but that's not the case here. They paid Black comedians the most money (based on what Mo'Nique said). So this isn't about race or gender, it's about noboby at Netflix thinking Mo'Nique and Wanda Sykes are worth millions of dollars...and you know what? Neither do I.
     
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    TBH I understand her being upset. Does Amy really justify so much exponentially more than her? I don't think so but I can understand Amy getting paid more than her just by way of her current pop culture worth.

    I find Wanda Sykes in general funnier than Mo but she seems to appeal more to whyfokes more than black people.
     
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    Fixed that for you there.
     
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    I understand your point but according to your logic, any company that doesn't think a black person is worth a certain amount of money can always low-ball them. I think this carries over to corporate america and other jobs as well where black people, specifically black women, are paid less than white men. Frankly, I don't understand what went into Amy getting SO much more than Wanda. Both have been hugely successful and i think Wanda's audience is just as white as Amy's. Same thing happens with actors. Just wish i understood the calculations that go into paying people for their art.
     
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    That's the thing. Who's to say this is about race and not about ratings draw? Do you know for certain that low draw white comedians were offered way more that Wanda and Mo'Nique? As you admitted, Amy is a bigger draw that Mo'Nique. Oprah, Tyler and Lee Daniels stopped fucking with her, are they racist too?
     
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    It appears that Monique is STILL cursed by her Academy Award win. I think she has every right to make the disparity known but this sorta seems like she has shitty negotiators. This comes off as entitled. No one is entitled to 20 million dollars....looks like Amy's people were doing their jobs and getting her more money. Monique's people need to do the same. While I think Monique is a legend and very funny Comedian she needs to stop being so damn entitled all the time. Put in the work and get results.
     
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    Again, you may be correct. Again, if it's about ratings, I believe Wanda has had some very popular TV comedy specials and has been doing this for years and transcends black or urban comedy. This morning, someone made the comment that they would be curious to see how much Tiffany Haddish could get from Netflix considering she's one of the hottest comics going right now. Would she get Amy money or Mo'Nique money? I'm speaking of people whom i would consider to be at the same level as I know a low draw white comedian would be paid less than a Dave Chapelle or Kevin Hart. The issue a lot of people have is what makes Amy a bigger draw than Wanda to warrant almost $11 Million difference in pay. I can't say it's race or gender. I'm as curious as anyone how Netflix arrived at those figures but of course, they give the standard statement of they don't comment on pay negotiations.

    As far as Oprah, Tyler and Lee not fucking with Mo'Nique, that's because of her outspoken nature and the controversy she brings. They aren't offering her ANYTHING. Netflix offered her something so they didn't to be saying that the low offer is a result of her controversial statements.
     
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    See, if Tiffany Haddish was on Instagram talking about only being offered $500k, I would see your point....but we're talking about Mo'Nique, a comedian that has been out of the national spotlight for nearly 8 years.
     
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    So let's say Cypher Avenue and Queerty had the same number of visitors and both went up for sale. Which one would demand the highest bid on the open market with market size and viewership being the same?
     
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    You're proving my point even more. Cypher Ave would get a much lower offer than both Queerty and BGCLive...hell, even Signal 23 TV's deactivated YouTube page could get a higher offer based on awareness and relevance to the market.
     
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    Right but that also goes to Mo'Nique's point that even if a black person has equal success in physical proven form, they will still get paid less because of all these other intangibles. I can understand if a black comedian only draws in a smaller black audience and Mo'nique, despite what she thinks, is still viewed as an urban comic. It would make sense to pay her less but Wanda is not and is wildly successful with a broad demographic. Probably more so with white audiences. In the CA vs Queerty example, page views and visitors correspond to awareness and relevance does it not? So if they were equal in those metrics, why would you still value CA less? That's that part I still don't understand.
     
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    Maybe we're debating different points or not seeing things the same way...

    There's no racial bias: Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock get more than any other comedian on Netflix so far. And both of those comedians are culturally relevant to the Netflix audience.

    There's no gender bias: Amy Schumer got 13 million, more than many white male comedians.

    If the debate is Black Women get offered less, my response is: Show me an example of Black Women who are as relevant and bankable as Schumer (like Tiffany Haddish or even Whoopi Goldberg, who has hosted The View since 2005) that were only offered scraps. Then I'll be marching right along with them.

    Nobody that I know, both white and black, are checking for a Wanda Sykes standup comedy show...they def not checking for Mo'Nique either. But I do know ppl who would watch Tiffany Haddish or even a raunchier Whoopi Goldberg like in her old days.
     
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    The only Academy Award curse is the potential for an inflated sense of self, and Monique def fell victim. Netflix obviously lowballed her, while leaving room for negotiations. However, she keeps letting this husbandger of hers soup her head up into thinking she can command the same pay as mofos who are selling out MSG. The Latarian in me will always be here for the ridiculousness of Nikki Parker, but where are her real life friends who are supposed to let her know her last name isn't Streep?!
     
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    You know he don't know yall...he's friends of the owners...he doesn't fraternize w 'the help'. Just like Monique...
     
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    What Monique should do is try out for somebody sitcom or invite all the people who she burnt bridges with over for dinner and talk it out. Hell I'd just hop my ass on the tour bus and do comedy shows. Unless she's too bourgeois for that now.
     
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    LOL> I honestly didn't see them. I just think Mo'Nique is gotten very bitter. Like she's been rejected over and over on Grindr.
     
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    Well, I believe that if you change your attitude you can change your circumstance. Ms. Monique needs to take a bite of Humble Pie and do what she does best, ACT and BE FUNNY and she will find her way to the Millions of dollars she thinks she deserves.

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    -Monique just needs to fire her manager which happens to be her husband. He is the root of her career problems.

    -Mediocre talentless white comedians, actors, writers, directors, etc still get more money (and more chances) than there black counter parts.
     
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    Yeah. Someone said her husband was the problem but she said more black women need their husbands standing up for them like her husband. They both seem out of it on their podcasts. I agree, her husband seems to be burning a lot of bridges.
     
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    Stand up from a distance. Stedman is not Oprah's manager. Jay-Z is not Beyonce's manager. They so busy holding up the Black Fist...that they don't realize they're punching themselves in the face.
     
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    ...and another thing...I find it gross that when they speak, they refer to each other as "mama" and "daddy"...yuck.
     
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    Maybe in that setting. In the bedroom, it's kinda hot though. LOL
     
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    Also, how soon we all forget that Netflix paid millions to steal Shanda Rhimes and her Black Women driven shows from ABC...Yup, that clearly sounds like racism and gender bias! Let's Boycott!
     
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    The bad thing about all of this is that even those that cancel their membership today will eventually reactivate at some point without Mo'Nique's "blessing" to do so.

    Also, I've decided, after thinking about this for a couple of days, that Mo'Nique is delusional if she thinks she has the power to hurt Netflix in their pockets. A quick search of Netflix returns nothing about this "scandal" and boycott which, to me, means that it may be confined to select urban media outlets. This does nothing to get her message out there. She's attacked Oprah, Tyler, Lee Daniels and now Steve Harvey and Sheryl Underwood. These are some of the most powerful and high profile black people in media and entertainment. Even her own not standing up for her in public.
     
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    Wait...do you remember last year when White people were boycotting Netflix's racism over Dear White People?
     
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    Good point... unlike when their stock briefly dropped when alt-right White people decided to boycott them.
     
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    I know I'm late to the party but I'm gonna say this. While Monique may have a point it is also true that the hotter you are in the entertainment industry the more money you can command. To be blunt Monique hasn't been a hot commodity for quite a few years now. While Netflix probably did low ball her she should've had a competent manager who could negotiate a better salary. It's hard for me to feel sorry for her in this regard when she was offered more money than most people make in a year or even 4 years. Bottom line I'm not boycotting Netflix over this.
     
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