Road To Massa's House: Official 2016 Presidential Race Thread

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  1. Nick Delmacy

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    Political Junkies, this is the thread to discuss the 2016 Presidential Race...Lehgo!

    Who you got? on Both sides? What's your bracket looking like?


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    I am still undecided as far as my personal politics but you can say that I lean Hillary. I think the GOP clown car when probably end with someone like Rubio as the nominee.

    I honestly think that Trump and Dr. Carson are the biggest most prolific performance artist of the 21st Century and they have fundamentally broken the Republican Party....you know the Party of Lincoln....where Reagan is still the standard bearer....well not anymore.
     
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    I still don't understand the whole Trump and Carson thing....smh
     
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    So far when I hear people say Hilliary, I don't hear them saying anything about what her plans are or what she will do for the country. Bernie screams loud and clear who he is, what his plans are and how he plans on doing it. Like damn near every time he is on TV that is all you hear from him.

    I'm not sure why black people would vote for someone who invests and profits off of slavery simply because there is a "D" behind her name.
     
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    Actually I think it quite the opposite. Bernie has one message an economic message that is quite frankly not rooted in reality. He has yet to present at least for me the answer to How....how can he do all of the purely economic things he says he going to do. Bernie has to go beyond the rhetoric of "a handful of billionaires and millionaires." The next President of the United States is going to inherit an extremely complex world both domestically and internationally. It seems to me that Bernie is lost when it comes to our fight against international terrorism? I have no idea how he plans to address ISIS, Assad, Putin, the escalation in the South China Sea, just to name a few international issues. Bernie hasn't addressed what he plans on doing to combat international economic cheating. He blunders when it comes to addressing guns and black lives matter. Bernie is a one stop shop. Sure I like his message if he could do what he says but in our current political climate, its pure fantasy.
     
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    Also, I think the people who are team Bernie right now may very well be confusing the terms Equality and the terms fairness. For most Americans we say the word equality when in reality we mean fairness. I think we should dig a little deeper with the Berns and force him to explain just how he plans to produce legislation upon his election and he needs to be able to prove he can think about more than one thing at a time.
     
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    I've heard him say it numerous times about how he would pay for the his plans. He is now talking about his latest plan of turning post offices into low service banks to help low income folks from being prayed upon by pay day loan banks. He has answered my questions, which is why he will get my vote and donations.
     
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    What is troubling to me is that folks question how and why with Bernie yet he points out time and time again how other countries who trump us in economy and education continue to excel while the US lags behind. He say lets look to them and see if we can incorporate their models while folks scream what about costs while we give out billions to the pentagon, corporations, other countries (like Israel) and yes wall street, in the form of deregulation and tax cuts or better put welfare. Bernie been talking about prison reform as Hilliary STILL has investments within the for profit prison systems which profits off of locking POC up. WTF
     
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    Basically....
     
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    And what's Hillary's plan again for these exact same things being pointed out here?carl
     
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    The problem is that Bernie likes to point towards Scandinavian countries. We are the United States. Florida has a bigger economy or more people than Norway. I think that capitalism has made the United States the most most prosperous and most powerful nation the world has ever known and Bernie doesn't get that. His ideas of democratic socialism is not going to work in a country as vast as ours.

    If you think Barack Obama was polarizing how do you think Berns is going to fair against an openly hostile Republican party...but I think the democrats are going to have to make a choice of who will be the keeper of our values moving forward. It will definitely be an interesting primary....and from my perspective, Bernie or Hillary will do a much better job serving the United States over any of the clowns in GOP.

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    So do liberals or progressives really want change? There are numerous fact checked articles like this all over the net.

    "In addition to Wall Street and the fossil fuel industry, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is turning to lobbyists for the two biggest private prison companies in the country, Corrections Corporation of America and the GEO Group, to raise money for her 2016 presidential candidacy."
    Guess Who Else Is Fundraising for Clinton: Private Prison Lobbyists
    Private Prison Lobbyists Are Top Fundraisers for Hillary Clinton
    Private Prison Lobbyists Are Raising Cash for Hillary Clinton
    Private Prison Corporations Stand With Hillary Clinton
    How this doesn't piss you off is beyond me. Black folks voting for a candidate who profits off of locking people of color up...the irony.
     
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    We want governance.

    Change like the term Equality doesn't mean anything. Don't say change when you mean governance, don't say equality when you really mean fairness.
     
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    This Liberal, doesn't want to see a Republican in the white house. That makes me partisan. I want someone that can command more than lofty rhetoric about revolutions.

    In political science and economic theory there is a plausible theory on revolutions: Bernie should check it out.

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    We are not there yet. Despite the media driven polarization.
     
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    ...its easy to find facts. Liberals, Dems and progressives want change but vote the same way that hasn't really netted them the results they want. Bernie doesn't have a super pac nor isn't taking money from wall street but you think Hillary is gonna work for you or your best interests...ok.
     
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    I think it noble that Bernie doesn't have a superpac. Really it is noble. But in reality, we live in a post-Citizens United world. If he truly believes that he can win a general election against the Republican...to quote Berns "Billionaire Class" and not take money from corporations then he is dumber then we all think....
     
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    I can't be the only one seeing this...maybe so and yes these have been fact checked.

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    The fact that her black supporters got their heads in the sand as it relates to this woman profiting off of for profit prisons is amazing.
     
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    Ok...my last one. I already know where my vote is going so I'm good. Not up to me to convince anybody the facts are everywhere. I will say this, if it comes out that Bernie is taking money from the prison industrial complex like Hillary, I will not vote for president, only local races.
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    Both Jim Webb and Lincoln Chafee have officially dropped out on the Democratic side...
     
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    I would love to see a president Sanders. He's the only one that gives me a little bit of hope that we may at least somewhat fix our political system, which has been primarily corrupted by the influence of money in politics. But it's more likely than not that Clinton will get the nomination. There are a lot of times I feel like not voting presidential, but in some ways a vote for no one is functionally a vote for your opponent.
     
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    It's unfortunate that more people don't vote in their local elections. Your local gov is what really impacts your day to day life the most. I do feel corporations, wall street, the fed reserve run the US and in the long run a dem or repub president isnt really that different. I do think Bernie is the only one who could begin to chip away at this.
     
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    He made a great quote in the last debate, when I think Clinton brought up the regulation of Wall Street: "Congress doesn't regulate Wall Street, Wall Street regulates Congress". Bernie really is the only one who has any interest in addressing this issue.
     
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    :umad: There it is...
     
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    This doesn't change the fact that Bernie is un-electable in a general election in this polarized country.
     
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    Yep...same thing they said about that black senator.
     
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    Character is everything...I find it troubling that in October 2015 this intelligent lady didn't know this was a bad idea or was it that she didn't care and wanted the money? I'm sure folks will view this as progress and ignore the fact she has been profiting with them for YEARS after her husband got tough on crime.

    "Clinton's decision to cut ties with private prison lobbyists, after discussions with ColorOfChange and other racial justice activists, is a clear sign that the industry's influence is waning."

    Hillary Clinton To Stop Taking Donations From Private Prisons
    Hillary Clinton To Stop Taking Donations From Private Prisons
     
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    No, the political climate is very different than it was 8 years ago...also, President Obama did not say as many outrageous and comments as Bernie Sanders has back when he was running. The most controversial campaign promise Obama made was to get us out of 2 wars...something that many Americans agreed with at the time.
     
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    Obama was undetectable because he was young, inexperienced and couldn't make the tough decisions (according to Hillary AND Joe Biden when they were campaigning). He was only a community organizer in addition to him not being black enough to get the black vote. AND healthcare for all was to radical and "who was gonna pay for it" these ideas were gonna "bankrupt the country". Remember much...?
     
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    For the Hillary supporters:

    Got it... you not gonna vote for Bernie, no problem but what are your expectations for and from Hillary besides the fact that she's electable and you want a Dem to win?

    Outside of Healthcare (which is a big deal to me and many) how is your personal day to day life different between Bush and Obama?
     
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    Undetectable? So you saying Obama is Gay and on the down low and that's why he was unelectable? SMH...you gays and your agenda...
    :troll:
     
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    LMAO...asshole LOL:ahh:
     
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    "unelectable" LOL
     
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    I'm pro-Bernie but I know he won't win the primary. He's far more radical and left than Obama is, though I actually think the Republicans would work with him better than Obama because he's still an old white man. My hope is that Bernie gets the numbers to get Hilary to adopt some of his policies and ideas into her own. But considering she's getting money from big business, I doubt we'll see her embrace true reform of our domestic policies.

    Hilary is probably the better choice on a global level, but Bernie is what we need on a domestic one.
     
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    I may be a little biased, Secretary Clinton was my one time boss at State. I think we are living in very complex times and there a lots of issues before the United States. I am an internationalist, I study conflict and we are engaged or going to be engaged in more conflict, from Islamic Terrorism, to Russian and Chinese aggression, to a refugee crisis that should make us all wake up and recognize the tremendous human suffering. Here in the homeland, we are embarking upon a student loan bubble that could threaten the US economy, we have a government that is virtually incapable of functioning, we have economic disparity problems, racial tensions, generational gaps, gender gaps, we don't recognize fundamental issues of fairness, I think that Bernie is good for Hillary because it will force her to return to our core democratic values...I think the Republicans are doing a good job keeping us fearful that one of those nut jobs may in fact get the top job. Imagine Dr. Carson or Trump with the nuclear launch codes. <---That is hyperbole but in many ways it does make me nervous.

    Quite frankly, we have 16 more months of Presidential politics. We are all fatigued by our constant preparation for the next election.
     
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