Half of all gay black men will get HIV per CDC.

I'm dying a virgin..... That's it. I'm going to Tibet to be a monk.

 

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-02-cdc-gay-black-men-hiv.html

CDC: One in two gay black men in US will be diagnosed with HIV

Jesus. For white gay men it is only a one in eleven chance. Please wrap it up and be safe.

(added to Ocky's original post)

 

Just wrap it up and be careful. It is not an automatic death sentence anymore but hardly something you want to really risk getting by not being careful.

WHY is the rate so damn high? I remember seeing that it was about 'a smaller pool' for gay black men since they mostly choose other gay black men, and that gay black men overall are a little more careful than white gay men. But the ratios is so extreme it seems that there has to be more to it?

With the ratio being 1:2 for black gay men and 1:11 for white gay men, black gay men are just going to have to be extra extra careful.

 

Stumbling across bae, MyVidster, when the random "cell phone porn" comes up 80 percent of the time, it's raw. Unscientific observation, but there's a lot of people who are not using condoms behind closed doors and opened cam apps than they claim to when in public.

 

The source page:CROI | 2016 | Newsroom | NCHHSTP | CDC

By state graphic

 

^^ I saw somewhere recently where the vast majority of gay porn is now raw-no condoms.
From the report it looks like it is teens up to early twenties who are most at risk.

Who is reaching out to these young kids/guys?
What is the mainstream gay media saying(or doing) about this?
Where are/what are the resources being used or directed towards this group most at risk?

This is basic Mazlow's hierarchy stuff with this being on the bottom of the pyramid. Basic health and safety. Gay marriage is not more important than this.

How 'out' are these young guys and how many of them know they are positive and are able to get access to the right drugs and be able to pay for them?

Why aren't these questions being asked?

 

There is more info at the link you posted. per that link the chances of getting HIV are:

1 of every 2 black MSM
1 of every 4 hispanic MSM
1 of every 11 white MSM

Huge differences.

The next highest group is all black men at 1 of every 20.

 

Geeze. I didn't see the OP Just Columbusguys reply when I posted.

 

I started my thread 7 minutes after Ocky's ( I did not see it) so I am assuming he combined them? His is a much more thorough post so good.

 

WOW! In a time with the amount of scientific and medical advances this news is alarming. With proper care and taking your medication if you are positive leading to an undetectable viral load and with the invention of PREP and let's not forget Condom use, it baffles me that anyone would or could be diagnosed going forward given they educate and protect themselves (and if they protect their lovers).

A very good friend of mine reveled to me this weekend that he was diagnosed positive a year ago. It blew my mind and caused me to have a horrible weekend filled with tears. What was most bothersome about his revelation was he said "either I take PREP, one pill a day for the rest of my life - or, I take my anti-viral Meds. One pill a day for the rest of my life, either way I will be on something."

I almost slapped the piss out of him. It is sad that people are willing to forgo condom use and other things and receive a diagnosis that can and more than likely will significantly shorten their life and impact its quality. I don't get. Help Black Jesus.

 

Taking Prep is the lesser of the two evils but still.... Don't people worry about the other STDs? People love to say "clean" or "disease and drug free" on profiles but they really only care about HIV. That's why baffles me. There's other things to be worried about even if a person goes bareback and neither party has hiv.

 

I always get heart palpations every time that I read these articles. The easiest thing to do is ignore and go to more "fun" posts. But, it's that kind of thinking that is causing these numbers to rise.

Yes, it is bareback sex is on the rise. I can't tell you how many "home made vids" on X-tube that feature guys doing this. I would dare to say 80% are not using condoms.

I was watching Preachers of Atlanta last week and one of the topics that came up was "should churches hand out condoms?"

 

This is true, but nothing has had the impact that HIV has had. And all gays should really get the vaccinations for Hep A and B, and for anything else. Most other stuff can be cured with antibiotics or is not so deadly(HPV and Herpes) but they still carry long term risk.

Most gays have some form of HPV-most adults have some form of HPV. You just have to assume that it is a yes with that.

Who is going to get these young guys, these young teens and early twenties tested and who is going to make sure they take the meds exactly as prescribed? And how are they going to get the money for it?
And bareback porn is not just reflecting what people do...it makes you want to do the unsafe stuff. Even just watching it I can see that.

 

wow this shit here is shocking and scary but at the same time i can believe it 75% of these home made porn or studio porn are raw sex its the new thing now...

 

I don't see a problem with a monogamous couple having unsafe sex. If you are married or as close as you can be, I don't think you should have to wear condoms if you trust your partner and it's clear that neither of Y'all are going any where else. But these folks out here who will have unsafe sex with anyone and say "I got caught up" No.

Same for straights. So many black young single mothers so clearly, unsafe, unprotected sex is going on in our communities across the board.

We need comprehensive, staged, age appropriate sexual education. Instead we have public school talking about abstinence after kids have already stated to experiment and parents who are in denial, too embarrassed to talk about sex, or don't even know much about sexual education themselves.

 

Hello! I'm like

#virgins4life? LOL

 

I get what you feel. This info is very scary especially if you dont have that much sexual experience. You almost need an background check with a full medical examination to be with someone today.

 

I get that this information is VERY, VERY important. However, I hate that the CDC is acting like this is still a gay or bisexual MAN's disease. If you are going to bring a fear factor of data or what will happen, you need to looking into the many straight women's vaginas and straight man's penises, also, because everybody (not just gay and bisexual MEN) are humping around (in my Bobby Brown voice).

 

In most of the world, it is a heterosexual disease afflicting women as much as men. But in the U.S., it is primarily a man's disease and primarily a gay man's disease at that.

The stats: ( if things do not change) chance of each member in the group getting HIV in their lifetime:

Black gay men: 1 in 2 chance.
Hispanic gay men: 1 in 4 chance.
White gay men: 1 in 11 chance.
Black straight men: 1 in 20 chance.
Hispanic straight men: 1 in 48 chance.

Black Straight women: 1 in 48 chance.

While everybody may be humping around, the chances of each individual getting infected with HIV vary greatly because it is not just what you are doing, but who you are doing it with, and how likely is that person to be HIV positive. It is not fair but facts are facts and they need to be faced and accepted if change is to occur. Straights are less likely to get infected because the people they are fucking with are less likely to be infected.

It is not even about behavior pre se as studies by the CDC have shown that gay black men engage in risky behavior at a slightly lesser rate than gay white men. Black gay men are doing better, but when they do mess up, the chance they are taking is much greater. It is just the way the disease has developed and spread here as opposed to other places.

Straight men and women(especially those of color-look at the stats) need to be careful or they will be in the same boat as the less fortunate groups like the gay/bisexual men. They are paying the price for similar behavior but just in different ways right now: in unwanted pregnancies resulting in unwanted children or abortion, and in raging rates of other STI's, they just do not have enough HIV infected people in their straight system to put them in as great of risk.....yet.

I understand not wanting to be in a stigmatized group either, and I don't want to stigmatize those who are HIV positive, but something has to be done and facts have to be faced or these estimations will themselves become facts.

 

I get it but...blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Everybody can get this disease. Putting statistics together to point the finger will not help move lessoning the disease/spreading the disease further.

 

Anybody can get this disease, but not just anybody is getting this disease.
(edited because there was no need for attitude in my response)

 

Data aside, this all literally can confirm that HIV/AIDS is a gay/bi man disease (notioned since the first outbreaks in the early 80s). And another stigma faced with being gay or bisexual. I'm here for awareness and prevention, but not the presumed "Oh, they are the cause of this..." data crunching that WE have the disease and this disease is just on us. It's as if people are hired to gather this data are required to "make sure to include the gays, because you know they are spreading it the most". All I will say ending my standpoint is that Daquan, the straight Black guy fucking everything with a vagina can get it, too and he's the problem, too.

 

Yes he is a problem too. But things with vaginas are just not as likely to have HIV right now. He can get it, he is just not as likely to get it. But he still could-straight black men are at the highest risk after gays. Anyone could get it from one mistake.-it is all about chances really.

Everyone should simply act in a way to protect themselves. Especially gays. Especially black gays. Because(I hate to say this...I really do) but society cares the least about you. Black and gay in this society is the most disposable group-who is out there advocating for you except yourselves? Not many others seem to give a shit-including straight blacks and white gays(shamefully).

Fuck everyone else and take care of yourselves and demand that society pay attention to you and what you need.

* I did not mean to disprespect you Dante and I think you have made valid points

 

Thank you for posting this. Knowledge is power. Yes, the numbers are bleak, but in them is a seed of hope- more doctors are recognizing how bad it is and are becoming more aggressive about implementing strategies at preventing HIV transmission. Find a primary doctor, ask questions and stay safe people!

 

@ColumbusGuy No need to apologize. No disrespect at all. It was a healthy debate. It's ok for disagreements. However, it's about doing it with a mature Agree to Disagree approach, which I have slowly learned to do.

This information is not swept under the rug. It's honestly a reevaluation for me moving forward as a 35 yo single Black gay man and my sexual decisions and actions forthgoing. Despite my position on the stigma of data, the fact is that HIV transmission is not dead and we all have to be safe with our sexual decisions and actions religiously.
Now knowing that some HIV+ and HIV- Black gay and bisexual men are using PrEP to fuck around with unprotected sex like HIV never existed, it will be getting kinds of crazy out in these streets. Love you man!!!!!!

 

In my opinion, there is some ignorance about the disease but also a lack of concern about it too.

Some People just dont care and the abundance of raw homemade videos online show that. The RAW movement is strong these dayz. I know ppl say porn is just porn but I think it subconsciously promotes raw sex between men, especially men of color.

Ive seen comments from others on one sites about Anal Sex is meant to be raw & know people that have it but I think they said the treatment they are on makes it "undetectable" so they say they are negative. Im hearing about quite a few saying this.

I also think a lot of creeping has a bit to with it as well. You know the risky activity that you see online where dudes on the DL or whatever folks may identify as meet up in those places to get a nut with random strangers in parks, public bathrooms etc and often they don't use condoms. I Had to ask myself well are they unaware of the risks or...

I have a friend who recently came out to me as HIV positive. He known he was for two months before telling me. Now Ive known him for 5 years. The last 2 years, I always preached to him about the dangers of catching HIV & other STIs. To always where condoms and to avoid any risky behavior. He KNEW the risks but still participated in all kinds of things from sex parties and the like. He is 25. It makes me wonder...

Wrapping it up is good but condoms also aren't 100% effective Either to be honest. But if youre gonna be safe you need to be safe on all accounts including using dental dams. Folks talking about eating the booty like groceries. Need to get a plastic bag and places the groceries inside cause oral sex carries risks as well. My bf and I will always use condoms but that's because I think its more hygienic overall. I believe in spicing things up so that things are not dull without penetration.

Abstaining from extremely risky sex and not having multiple random sex partners as well as not sharing needles are the safest way.

But I personally think quite a few others do not care about the disease because I hear the "HIV is not the death sentence it used to be" line. Though this is true, it seems like folks think well if I get it, It will be a quick fix and I can continue on doing it raw or whatever. It doesnt matter and lowkey I believe the medical folks promote it too.

I checked the states within my area some months ago and I believe it stated that #1 in cases, 46%, were Black American Men that sleep with men #2 was Black American hetero sexual women. I dont know how true this is but Im sure its not to far off from the fact that its a problem within the community.

If anything, and I may be jumping the gun when I say this, but HIV seems to be a trend to some folks, for example Bug Chasers. There may also be some folks that will intentionally pass it on to others.

 

Mental health and desperation could be factors in those decisions. I'm informed about risks and consider myself somewhat intelligent but, in my darker days, I did a number of risky, strange things with a number of strange people. I'd often think to myself, "This isn't a good idea," but do it anyway because I wanted some kind of physical intimacy and my chosen methods seemed like the easiest, most practical ways for me to get it. Sometimes, the risk was kinda exciting even if I felt sort of foolish and disappointed in myself afterwards. Logic and potential consequences didn't stop me for some reason.

Someone wrote an article about depression compounding HIV risks. It's very long and I haven't read all of it, but here are a few quotes and a link:

On the topic of the black community's view of mental health:

Depression Is Teaming Up 
With HIV to Kill 
Black Gay Men. 
Can We Stop It?

 

I believe that these questions are being asked. Unfortunately, the powers that be don't care very much and the questioning voices aren't cutting through all of the distractions. It seems to me that safer sex is not a high priority for many, particularly younger, BGMs. You're right that Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is a factor. Folks are trying to get viable jobs and suitable housing in the midst of growing economic inequality.

It's rough to talk with young brothas about their sexual practices. There is some fear of HIV and AIDS, but that hasn't been enough to motivate consistent condom use.

The push for marriage equality struck me as a means of regaining privilege for our white counterparts. Now that marriage equality is largely secured, I don't know what HRC and other folks are working on. I'm doubtful that they'll put on a full-court press to directly aid LGBTQ folks of color. This is what history has shown me to date.

 

Being a little bit and in some cases a lot older than a few of you on here and living in NY, I've lost a lot of family, friends and aquatintences over these many years to HIV related conditions and AIDS. It's a scary sobering thought that hits home, to know that more than half of my friends are gone and I didn't have that many to begin with.

 

I call them "Homosexual Rich Caucasians." lol

What makes my mad about HIV infection rates is that this is a totally preventable acquisition. We have free testing, rapid home testing, free condoms, countless Youtube cautionary tales, Prep (a pill people would have loved to have had in the 80s), all of these resources and education and it's going to deaf ears and blind eyes. For over 30 years, we have known how HIV is transmitted and how to prevent it. What are people not understanding?

But as they say, you can lead a horse to water...

I really think we need to target people when they are young on sexual education. Comprehensive sexual education is the only way to prevent young unwed mothers and STD rates. Most of us don't have children here but we can still talk to our relatives kids and ask them what they plan to do about The Talk. Because The Talk isn't just one, it's several. "Don't brang no babies up in my house!" is not enough.

As for the Undetectable "Negative" guys, they are lying. I would want to be informed. You may be undetectable now because you are on your meds but what if you lose your insurance? What if you don't get your medication for the while because you spent money on Rihanna tickets?

I think these people are taking away people's choices by lying.

However, I definitely agree that we are responsible for our own health and choices, regardless if someone is lying to us. You have to take a stand. No one is forcing you to have raw sex so I don't think people can fully blame someone who did lie about their status and they subsequently got infected. They can be mad, hurt, upset or whatever, but they also share the blame.

You have to be put forth effort to not get or get someone pregnant and I think that same idea can be used here. You have to put effort in to not acquire HIV.

 

And now this:

Gay Man Becomes First Reported Daily PrEP User to Contract HIV - Towleroad

Which some people will look at it as a reason to not take prep and concentrate on the fact that it's 99% effective. But at the same time, people may look at this with a defeatist attitude as damned if you do or don't.

This guy was the receptive partner to multiple people. He was a good use case for prep, even if I don't like people who use it to go bareback it up with just about anyone as bottom, he was the one at most risk anyway. Which I'm still not sure why a bottom would have issues with condoms anyway but I digress.