Michael Jackson vs. Beyonce - Strictly Live Performances

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  1. Nigerian Prince

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    On social media, the conversation began who is a better live performer on stage - Beyonce or Michael Jackson. Not talking about the music catalogue but simply about their skill set on stage! The Breakfast Club had a discussion about how things can change over time with who people consider the best live performers. Charlamagne Tha God believes that James Brown was the best first then Michael Jackson raised the bar and then Beyonce took it to the highest place!

    Charlemagne Tha God believes that you can watch the following performances of Michael Jackson and Beyonce to see who is clearly the best live performer:

    Michael Jackson - 1993 Super Bowl
    Michael Jackson - 1995 MTV Video Music Awards
    Michael Jackson - MOTOWN 25

    Beyonce - 2016 MTV Video Music Awards
    Beyonce - 2013 Super Bowl
    Beyonce - Coachella (aka Beychella)


    Beyonce vs. Michael Jackson! Who is your pick?! The audio begins at the discussion where callers phone in their vote and their reasons why they picked either Beyonce or Michael Jackson.



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    MJ.No contest.He was an actual dancer.Beyonce has rhythm,but doesn't do anything every girl can't do.She is the only person since him to understand and master showmanship and giving the audience a visual spectacle,but she doesn't work with the raw talent he had.He could do things with his voice and body that was beyind common skill.
     
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    Yeah. I mean his Billie Jean routine seals it for me. One man, a fedora and a glove. Cue the spotlight.

    ReWatch that Smooth Criminal routine.

    Imagine if MJ was 35 in 2018, this wouldn't be a discussion.
     
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    I think Beyoncé is good at what she's going.she's mastered this generation and this time.

    However I don't think it's fair to even compare her to MJ.

    MJ is above S+ tier. Beyoncé is S Tier.
     
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    To be honest I dont think its a fair comparison. Most ppl dont really remember or were too young to see previous performers live. Also, Beyonce has advancement of technology of her time on her side that previous performers didn't have. So off course it's going to look better and sound better. But she is a hell of a performer total credit to her and her team.

    I personally think Tina Turner was left the conversation. Like
     
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    All of us who remember Michael Jackson and specifically us who were alive and very young at the time during the height of his career will ALWAYS praise Michael, because we remember how it felt to see him on TV and how the world would stop when anything Michael was premiered. He is an ICON.

    But Im sorry, I have to agree with Charlamagne, Wendy Williams, and several music industry professionals and other artist. For several years now we have witnessed and continue to witness the greatest stage entertainer/ performer that has ever lived up to this point. And that indeed is BEYONCE.

    Dont start the shit with me! LOL.

    Im not saying the woman is the best singer that has lived, the most beautiful, or even the biggest star. In fact I 100% believe Michael Jackson will always go down as the biggest star/musician that has ever existed. But when Beyonce hits that stage. The production, the scale of her performances, set design, the tons of dancers, live music, choreography, and MOST important her commitment to entertaining by almost seeming like she is going to break something dropping, sliding, shaking, with wind machines, fireworks, projection screens, and even more important has been doing this shit for year after year after year, JUST GIVE THE GIRL HER DO AND STOP IT. LOL

    I probably have 1 Beyonce song on my Spotify so NO, I am not a Beehive thing or whatever they call those obsessed with her. But I just like to call a spade a spade and constantly work on checking myself when I may be biased. I have NEVER seen any other performer do it to the level and production value the way Beyonce has done it over the years. Im sorry, not even Michael. But I would definitely say that Beyonce and Michael Jackson are of the same caliber and are the 1% of stage entertainers that very few if any will ever be able to duplicate they way they have.

    But hey, at the end of the day its just my opinion like all others POV. (an opinion with a hell of a lot Beyonce live performance receipts on youtube)
     
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    Stop it. You sound like a lot of people who act like Beyonce is God and has NOW is the first person to have discovered life on Pluto.

    Beyonce is in history books as one one the greatest performers in history. But let us truly keep it real. He set the blueprint that not only his sister Janet followed, but yes Beyonce, who grew up on both Michael and Janet, is following. Beyonce didn't just up and become a great performer out of nowhere. The heffa took mentor notes from her predecessors.

    However, she can NEVER shit on anything that Michael Jackson has done.

    EVER!
     
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    Them damn virgos and their obsession w perfection...
     
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    Awesome reply bro, but just a few points.

    I dont think I sound like or said that Beyonce is God nor that she discovered extra-terrestrial life, I simply replied to the question presented in the thread and agreed with Charlamagne as Beyonce being to this date the best LIVE/STAGE performer up to this moment in time. Thats not taking nothing away from Michael being great as well. One persons number 1 can obviously be the other persons number 2 and vice versa. NO ONE is shitting on Michael Jackson at all, but it seems like in recent moments when this question is presented many who think Michael will always be the best, they not only express that but they start shitting on this woman/Beyonce as if she doesn't deserve to be in the conversation. That part is weird to me.

    I can respect you for saying,
    Because strangely, some people cant even do that still. This woman has performed in country after country back to back for years, put out numerous top selling albums, and has expressed to the world more than once how BLACK she is and that black is beautiful. That point has been in her lyrics, all kind of other black artist collaborations she does including (a flamboyant gay man BIG FREEDA) and recently in an epic Coachella show where she shared the stage with HBCU band members, Egyptian inspired costumes and song the damn "Negro National Athem". If this at one of the highest examples of black excellence than what is? Everyone can definitely have there opinion, but black people that still find fault with this lady instead of first acknowledging how BAD ASS she is, thats just weird to me. SHE'S OURS, BE PROUD OF THIS WOMAN.

    Ha. Sorry, that was just a tangent. Back to your point tho, absolutely Michael set the blueprint as a great live performer. I believe Beyonce has gave him credit for that as well. JUST LIKE, Michael gave credit to James Brown and said he use to watch him as a kid.

    James Brown = Icon Incredible live performer > Michael = Icon & takes performing to another level after James > Beyonce, Icon & takes it to yet another level after Michael. And its some kid baking in some woman stomach right now that will be ?????, Icon & took it to another level after Beyonce.
     
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    Side Note - That shit is crazy when you think about it how much work it takes for her to do all those shows and perform like the way she does. She gotta do that shit all over again this Saturday.

    She has accumulated enough generational wealth that her kids, grand kids will undoubtedly be financially secure and not have nothing to worry about. Yet she performs with the same intensity as when she first came out.

    I wish I had at least 5% of that womans work ethic. I fuck around and not get enough sleep and I wanna call out of work. Damn you Beyonce. :birdman2:
     
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    I get all of that, but I said what I said.

    There is no need for a Michael Jackson vs Beyonce discussion. Beyonce is just Beyonce.

    Sorry!
     
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    Michael Jackson absolutely destroys Beyonce as a live stage performer. Beyonce isn't even the greatest performer of the last twenty years. I would take Usher and Bruno Mars over Beyonce as live performers any day of the week. There are many singers who dance who have TONS of back up dancers. There are many singers nowadays who have wind machines, fireworks, and projection screens at their performances. Fireworks and projection screens were there in Michael Jackson's time. Wind machines have very little production value, imo. Beyonce's set design and stage production is very good, but nothing great. The scale of her live performances are good and nothing truly special compared to the scale of her contemporaries live performances. Her overrated and overhyped Coachella performance basically had backup dancers and a marching band on some bleachers. WOW! Such amazing stage production. Beyonce's production and production value is good, nothing great. She has way too many back up dancers on many occasions and her dancing is rudimentary, simple, and stripper-esque. She does a lot of ass-shaking and twerking, and Beyonce has never done in sliding moves.
    Michael Jackson is the dancing GOAT. His stage production, stage themes, dancing are all better than Beyonce's. His showmanship is better than Beyonce's too. Michael's stage production was actually really good by 2021 standards. And he was performing two decades ago. Michael Jackson had tanks on stage and flew of stage with a custom made jet pack. Michael Jackson even came out on stage in a custom-made rocket ship Michael did that in the 90s. That is way ahead of its time in terms of stage production and impressive by modern standards too. Michael Jackson's production and production value is much much greater than Beyonce's production and production value. The scale of MJ's performances is greater than Beyonce's. He was more popular and had bigger shows than Beyonce. Beyonce is a good live performer who is a great singer and a mediocre dancer. MJ is a legendary live performer who was a great singer and the greatest dancer of the modern era.
     
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    People shit on Beyonce because she doesn't deserve to be in the conversation with MJ as a live performer. Bruno Mars is a better live performer than Beyonce. He can sing at a high level, dance, and play many instruments. Beyonce isn't even a true trained dancer and the only thing Beyonce does great is singing.
    On the James Brown point. MJ was a better dancer than James Brown. That is how he took live performances to another level from James Brown. If Beyonce were a better dancer than MJ, then I would agree that she is a better live performer. But guess what? Michael Jackson is a way way way better dancer than Beyonce. Its like comparing Albert Einstein to a high school physics student.
     
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    People shit on Beyonce because she doesn't deserve to be in the conversation with Michael Jackson as a live performer. MJ is a far better live performer than Beyonce. Beyonce is nowhere near MJ as a live performer. Its like comparing John Coltrane to Kenny G as a saxophonist. John Coltrane is the greatest jazz saxophonist ever, and Kenny G is a decent pop saxophonist. Michael Jackson is the John Coltrane of live performances and Beyonce is the Kenny G.
    Onto the James Brown point. Michael Jackson is a better performer than James Brown because he is a better dancer than James Brown. That is the only performance aspect that Michael Jackson beats James Brown. James Brown was a multi-instrumentalist and MJ was not. Beyonce is not a multi-instrumentalist either. The thing is for Beyonce to exceed Michael Jackson as a performer, she would have to be a better dancer than Michael Jackson. Which she is not. Michael Jackson is a far far far far far far better dancer than Beyonce. Beyonce is the better singer to many people, but MJ is definitely on Beyonce's level as a singer. The man had a 4 octave range, flawless technique and a legendary falsetto. MJ is a star-rated (A+) vocalist by vocal pedagogues. I personally think Michael Jackson is a better singer than Beyonce because I value a great falsetto more than riffs and runs and some basic operatic head notes.
     
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    Beyonce's Coachella performance was good, but nothing amazing. The stage production was okay, but nothing shocking. Bleachers ain't shocking. Beyonce's vocals were great as usual, but she has had better vocal performances in other shows. Beyonce's dancing in her Coachella performance could have been much better.
     
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    People drag Beyonce because she doesn't deserve to be in the same conversation as Michael Jackson when it comes to live performances. Sorry, that is like comparing John Coltrane and Kenny G as saxophonists. John Coltrane is the greatest jazz saxophonist ever. Kenny G is a decent pop saxophonist. Michael Jackson is John Coltrane and Beyonce is Kenny G when it comes to live performances. Beyonce is a decent live performer, but nowhere near one of the greatest of all time. Michael Jackson, James Brown, and Prince are all far better live performers than Beyonce and perform at a level that Beyonce could only dream of.
    On to the James Brown point. I don't think Michael Jackson has exceeded James Brown as a live performer. Michael Jackson has only exceeded James Brown as a live performer when it comes to dancing. But James Brown was a multi-instrumentalist. Michael Jackson was. Beyonce is nowhere near James Brown or Michael Jackson as a live performer. Both Michael Jackson and James Brown are far better dancers than Beyonce. If Beyonce was a better dancer than James Brown and Michael Jackson, then maybe she would have a claim to the best performer of all time.
     
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