Pregnant Trans-men?

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  1. takeyourmeds91

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    I'm very curious to hear you guys' thoughts on the idea of Transgender men becoming pregnant. I'll start by saying people are entitled to do what they want with their bodies and it's none of my business but it's an interesting thought nonetheless.

    My initial reaction to this was almost indignant. "You can't have both so choose." But then I had to search my emotions for why I felt that way. It really came down to it coming off as a slap in the face to my own manhood which I take pride..especially as a gay man. Could I be wrong for feeling this way?

    If you've worked so hard to carve out this male identity and conform to what society deems is a "man" (haircut, clothing, and all), how is it that you get to not only enjoy that manhood but also womanhood?

    But then others have commented that, "cis-men can't have babies but trans men can."

    It begs the question, What does it mean to be a man anymore? We might as well throw all titles out of the window because it seems that you can do anything under the sun including doing things that are directly dichotomous to what you identify. You can wear your rompers (LOL) and have your babies and still be man, apparently.

    From a functional standpoint, it makes perfect sense. Why would I have someone else carry my baby when I can do it myself.

    I'm continuously confronting my feelings on what society deems the norm and this is one of those moments where I invite healthy dialogue.

    What do you guys think?

    I've attached the story. My comments have nothing to do with the actual article and are only my broad observations.

    Oregon transgender man is pregnant after miscarriage | Daily Mail Online

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    Im not ashamed to say I don't like it. That's just my opinion but I believe folks just take things and run completely crazy with it. I know I sound wrong when I say this but it irritates me when stuff like this happens. I can't really be intolerant consider that being black and gay/bi is looked down upon but sometimes, and this is just me, I think folks just be doing way to much sometimes.
     
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    I never really cared to question what Trans people do in this type of situation. I've learned that there's trans people that do use or keep the genitalia they were born with, don't get reassignment for a number of reasons (medical, financial, pleasure, etc.) and they have sex in many different ways with their partners. It's none of my business.

    So it pretty much comes down to this:
    If you still have your eggs/vagina and your partner has a penis then fuck it, why not? You're saving money, the kids are biological and I guess clearly part of that decision is that you want to experience that aspect of femininity from your past life. Which I find interesting because most don't want to go back or be reminded (and have the right not to).
     
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    I struggle with this as well. I don't understand how you can feel like you're in the wrong gender, take the steps to correct it, then fall back on the "benefit" of the gender you feel you were wrongly assigned. I'm aware that all of them don't get sexual reassignment surgery, but it just makes things more confusing for me. If sex is not determined by genitalia and reproductive function, what is it? I can get with the "gender is a social construct thing" but most trans-advocates make sure to specify that sex and gender are not synonymous. I'm super confused.
     
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    The whole transgender keeping original genitals thing used to confuse me too, but I just decided to learn more about it. Since genitalia doesn't equal gender, folks don't always feel the need to change it to be the gender that they know they are. So if this transman still has his uterus, why not use it?

    There's actually a video on YouTube of a married couple, a transman and a transwoman who had children the old fashioned way except it was daddy who carried the child and mommy who impregnated him. It worked and everyone seems to be happy.
     
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    But they'll take hormones to take on physical characteristics of the opposite sex and even shape their style accordingly to what society says their target gender should look like? Well society also says if you have a vagina, you're a woman and respectively the same for men.

    What it really is, are folks picking and choosing what they want to consider man or woman. We might as well abandon the the title of man or woman since conceivably you could pretty much do what you want and still insist to the called one thing or another.

    I fundamentally have nothing against my trans-folks but like @Jai said, it gets to a point to where you're doin' too much.
     
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    Right. If you're saying you're born to be the opposite gender then fine but I need someone to explain this up to the point of the whole pregnancy and stuff. Does anyone know what affect the hormones will have on the child or will the child turn out fine? I'll maybe see online or something.

    I get it..I like guys and I was born male...The penis and all that other man stuff. I try to understand the whole process of not feeling you're in the right body as like saying well I'm not attracted to women more than I am guys. Is identity this complicated or are people making up things as they go? I have to read up on all this kind of stuff.

    And I know this is going to get some flack but do you think something like this will really confused a child? I understand when folks say two men or two women raising a child may be "confusing" to the kid...Bare with me while I just learn and study more about stuff like this because it's a bit overwhelming for me to see a woman say she's supposed to be a man, get most of the work done but still have a child. I'm just confused but I'll have to research or whatever.

    I don't hate Trans but I don't agree with the process of gender changing through operation...It worries me a little I say something like that because I sound like a heterosexual referring to a homosexual... If someone asks me what I like about a man or why I like them. I love the male body, the strength, the honor and all that...Just the fact of two men coming together in some kind of dominate display of masculinity turns me on...The pride of being a man and "bonding" with something like you is really hot. I love men..I'll watch a man bone a woman and eat her out on a movie...I think it's hot because the man is doing it. IDK it's weird but perhaps maybe I can swivel this around to understand the trans struggle better like my struggle...Well not my struggle but you get what I'm saying.
     
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    I think we're focused too much on what makes sense to us and what doesn't. It makes total sense to actual transgender people, so I'll leave it at that. They're not "doing too much." They're just being themselves. Mind you, these are socially constructed labels, so it's quite possible that we don't yet have the correct vocabulary to fully describe what's going on.

    As far as confusion is concerned for the kids. Kids are a lot more open minded and understanding than adults. If they grow up with transgender parents, that's going to be their normal. They're not going to think their family is any different until somebody outside tells them. That's when they have to deal with society's ignorance. Not their own.

    I think @Jai started to hit a good point. There are plenty of people who would never fully understand and are quite confused as to why a man would find another man sexually attractive. ("It doesn't make sense. They have the same parts. Why would they want to do that to each other?") All of that sounds ridiculous to us because we understand ourselves. Straight folks haven't experienced being gay so they don't get it. It's hard to understand something that exists outside of you.
     
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    well said
     
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    Very confused. But I tend to leave it alone. Sometimes things are better that way.
     
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    Yea I completely understand where you're coming from and I've felt the hypocrisy in my own words when I discussed this with other folks. At the end of the day, they're going to live their lives regardless of what I think and rightfully so.

    Just an interesting discussion, nonetheless.
     
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    I kind of understand a little. What I find odd is the fact of physically altering ones body one way to be something as in a man but then want to be a woman. I know that there are some animals that are naturally hermaphrodites/intersexed.


    And kids are more accepting, I agree but that doesn't necessarily mean that their views are universally sound. I can agree about the whole man liking a man thing and to me, in some cases a man liking another man can be an act of nature and conditions because of the need for sex or companionship. I've yet to see a man or woman naturally switch between genders at will. Men cannot get pregnant. Their bodies are not designed too. I think a child growing up thinking this is normal is deceptive because it's not normal. Men liking men wouldn't be "normal" either but it can occur naturally. If I had the opportunity to sit down and hear from a real trans person about why they feel this way it would be interesting so I can understand more.

    I think you can feel for a lot of stuff but that doesn't mean it's all normal just adding "because it's how I feel" to it....What if an adult tries to justify a relationship with a child because they say it feels right and that child grows up thinking it's the norm for an adult to date children?

    This opens up a whole can of worms for me because in some cultures, it is the norm for adults to date children... Makes me want to find out so much more about all of this and what folks feel is normal and natural and everything. Honestly, all of this confuses the hell outta me but I'm always looking for answers and a better understanding. I'm sure once I am around or exposed to more Trans individuals, I will get a better grasp. Just curious about all of this, I've seen some really attractive female to male trans after searching online. Some look completely like dudes facially..It's amazing.

    What if one of you started liking a dude but found out they were trans, female to male. Would you still date them? I just searched online and saw my first porn scene of something like this!! I found it on myvidster!
     
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    You seem to be delving into strawman/slippery slope logical fallacy territory with the pedophilia/child marriage example.

    But to answer your last question, yes, I would date a transman. If we clicked on every other level.
     
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    Yea, I agree. One thing opens the door for the next. Not saying what they're doing is wrong necessarily but it's a rabbit hole. But then I feel fvcked up saying that because I'm gay.
     
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