Roy Moore Visits Black Church

This is a perfect example of why I despise Christianity and why I criticize black Christians. They'll knowingly get in bed with a white "conservative" who claims to be Christian and that not to long ago would've lynched them or turned a police dogs on them. This same conservative is still actively working to keep blacks as permanent under-class but since they're a Christian who believes in god, Jesus, the 10 commandments, and hates gays. That makes their anti-blackness ok.

 

Except these people actually *aren't* Christians. Occasionally sitting in a pew, acknowledging 3 of the 10 commandments and applauding a serial child-molester/constitutionally-illiterate judge doesn't make one a Christian- it makes one a Christianist. There's a difference.

Regardless, these people disgust me.

 

Keep reading what I wrote.

Andrew Sullivan expanded on this when he said, "I have a new term for those on the fringes of the religious right who have used the Gospels to perpetuate their own aspirations for power, control and oppression: Christianists. They are as anathema to true Christians as the Islamists are to true Islam."

Um, opposite to what I've written...? Consider, for example, a social worker that I met at a homeless shelter while I was interviewing for faculty jobs. Selfless. Helping needy people. Actually upset and seeking changes to the current world in an equitable way. And since I went to church this past weekend, take, for example, the methodist minister at a gay-affirming Methodist congregation in DC. I would give you directions, but Hillary attended once. And her cloven hooves still haunt the halls.

Well, I would mention the social worker from above again, but it turns out that he's actually, you know, Satan.

So you're right! Hail Beelzebub!

 

Sounds like the No True Scotsman fallacy to me. Every religious group claims they're following true religion and everyone else are apostates and heretics. They are Christians because they fly the banner of Christianity.

 

Just because someone claims an identity or characteristic doesn't make it true, regardless of how strenuously they may state it.

After all, Rachel Dolezal is NOT black. Is she black because she flies the banner of blackness? She sure thinks that she does. Most of us know better.

So why can't we say that some people who call themselves Christians are obviously NOT Christians?

There's something else going on here. And that something else is likely disdain for people of faith.

 

To expand a bit, we just saw an example of how people throw words around. A few weeks ago, there was a poll found that "evangelicals" were more likely to support Roy Moore after the allegations of child abuse.

Now, who on earth could say that child molestation would make one more inclined to lend your credibility or support? How can you, as a purported person of faith, endorse a child molester? Well, it all started with the definition of 'evangelical'.

At vox.com, here: Roy Moore and the confused identity of today’s "evangelical" voter

"In today’s media, “evangelical” has shifted from the historic definition to become more of a rough political and ethnic signifier. What today’s “evangelicals” have in common is not so much Biblicism or action for the gospel, but a self-defined sense of religiosity and a dogged commitment to Republican politics. And being white."

So there you have it. "Evangelicals" today are clearly not Christians in the historic sense of the word; they are merely white republicans. They don't even go to church or pray! And these "evangelicals" are saying that they support Roy Moore in a reflexive, partisan manner.

Again, it's clear to me that these people aren't actually Christians. Others have come to that same conclusion. I'm praying to Beelzebub that you...oh who am I kidding?

Also, on fallacies. You know...lemme not even start. lol

 

^^ Actually while I don't like any organized religion that is not true. Some Christians do that. You cannot act like all Christians are not individual people who even have different definitions of what Christianity is. That would be like saying all blacks are a hive mind and are 'all X' or 'all Y' and we know better than that, now don't we? Way to demonize every Christian though...gotta love that 'them' stuff.

Nik took you apart on this one lol.



..Oh ...and Fuck Moore.

 

So I guess I'll see you in 6-12 months, when we have our next round of...this.

 

The funny thing about religions is no one truly follows them and everyone claims they do. The road to hypocrisy is paved with holy books. Anyone claim a religious identity because religion itself is phony construct. Rachel Dolezal can't claim to be black because a simple DNA test would show she likely has little or no African heritage. Comparing race and religion is comparing apples to oranges.

I make no secret about my disdain for organized religion. If people of faith can "love sinner and hate the sin." I can love the believer and hate the religion. Seems fair to me.

 

I didn't make a comparison- I was pointing out the problem with the thought process, "well if they say it it must be true". Knee jerk acceptance of identity does simplify the world- you can quickly determine if someone fits the part they claim to play whether you feel they have the trappings of said identity. Unfortunately it often doesn't lead to expanding of that definition.

You say you actively disdain religion. I suspect it goes further- that you disdain anyone who claims to even feign to attempt to use Christianity as a set of guiding principles to improve their or anyone else's lives. So it really doesn't matter if self-identified Christians aren't actually who they say they are (demonstrably; see above); after all, they fit neatly into your remarkably negative view of Christians in general. And so the conversation just...ends. But I guess there are worse things in life.

 

We shouldn't generalize any group of people but there are stereotypes where the majority of the groups hold some truth to. Yes all Christians aren't bad but no body even knows what a true Christian is. Religion topics are interesting but exhausting and pointless. I think we can all agree the black church has many flaws. I say let the religious people have there beliefs but the whole "separation of church and state" is BS! That's the problem remove the religion from the democracy. Its like having a roommate, you can decorate your room with all the white Jesus you want but the common area of the house should be neutral.

 

Bless your heart as well.

 

Im right there witcha, bruh. Shit like this pisses me off to no f#$kin end.

 

I've noticed as of late, ever since Obama left office. The black church has for some reason sadly stepped onto the more conservative side as far as social politics go. I don't know why, but it's just something I've noticed.

 

There in lies the problem. There are many Dominionists trying infiltrate the public domain and influence laws and policy. There are too many Dominionists like Roy Moore, Ted Cruz, etc who are already in government, politics, and the courts trying to subvert the principal of separation of church and state trying to turn this country into a Christian theocracy. These people can't be compromised with the must be fought.

 

A similar phenomenon happened when George W Bush was in office. I got 3 words for you FAITH BASED INITIATIVE. These pork chop preachers chasing that government dollar. In order to get money they gotta tow the conservative party line when they're in power.

 

an the congregation said...