The Nation

Discussion in 'Race, Religion, Science and Politics' started by Jdudre, Mar 25, 2016.

  1. Jdudre

    The 100 Daps Club

    Age:
    41
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Messages:
    469
    Daps Received:
    393
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    New York
  2. NikR

    Bae Material The 1000 Daps Club

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2016
    Messages:
    536
    Daps Received:
    1,195
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Washington, DC
    Orientation:
    Gay
    Dating:
    Single
    Well, which part?

    I'll just start with the last statement, " But if there are consequences for insufficiently anti-racist local, state, and federal politicians with presidential aspirations in the immediate future, somewhere down the line, possibly, things might be different."

    TBH, I shrugged. Vague statements about "consequences" are unhelpful. If you want something to change, then change it. Is it hard to do? Sure, it takes organization. But it starts with your city council election, the election for county executive, the election for school board. One of the reasons why the country skews to benefit old people is because they vote. A lot. If people who were truly, emphatically committed to anti-racist school, police and societal policies, they would turn out in droves and vote in notoriously low-participation local elections. But they don't and when policies don't change, the belly-aching starts. This isn't to somehow excuse politicians- they are self-interested and often untrustworthy. Decisions are made by the people who show up. Flex your muscles- show up and enact the changes you want.
     
    Jdudre and grownman dapped this.
  3. ColumbusGuy

    The 100 Daps Club

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    2,421
    Daps Received:
    2,992
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Backwater, Ohio
    Orientation:
    Gay
    Dating:
    Not looking
    Well what was glaringly obvious is the elephant in the room...forget about the candidates for president...how about THE president for the last 7 years plus? Did Tamir's death not happen on his watch? And if he can't do anything about it, why is he any better than Clinton or Sanders would be? Is he not anti-racist as well? What I am saying is that it takes a lot more than being a president to get change going. Look at the obstructions Obama has had to face-the presidency is not some dictator-like position whereby absolute power is wielded at will(as much as Trump thinks it is just this).

    Really it is a little (ok, a lot) deeper than this article suggests. JMHO.

    And again, if I am out of line here let me know, but why just the 'black lives matter' slogan? Instead why not break that down into goals that can be attained, like 'police body cams for every police officer in America-and this is how we should go about making it happen and fund it...' -a definite goal that can be fought for and a rallying point for allies as well? I get that 'black lives matter' but it needs to be a broken down into specifics to get action taken. If the goal is saving black lives from discriminatory practices then those practices need to be directly attacked to get progress started as well as engaging the public in discourse about institutional racism and societal bias.

    And again, blacks are 14 percent of the population. To get change done at a societal level you need allies- who are either persuaded by reason or pushed to action through whatever means will get them to act. I think many white people hear 'black lives matter' and it has just become a slogan and they think 'well of course they do' and that is why they say the 'all lives matter' stuff-they are not getting what the slogan really means and the points of action that have been delineated by the movement that stands behind the slogan.
    Again JMHO.
     
    Jdudre dapped this.
Loading...
Similar Threads - Nation Forum Date
Al Harrington's Viola, The First Black-Owned Multinational Cannabis Brand Career, Work, Finances and Education Jan 18, 2022
Today is International Men's Day. Mental, Medical and Sexual Health Nov 19, 2021
TESLA ORDERED TO PAY $137 MILLION TO BLACK EMPLOYEE IN RACIAL DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT Race, Religion, Science and Politics Oct 28, 2021
South ParQ Vaccination Special Television and Web Series Mar 29, 2021
Oregon Man Complains about Discrimination at Work, Gets Arrested Race, Religion, Science and Politics Feb 12, 2020

Share This Page

Loading...