Brehs, we present to you a new episode of the CYPHER AVENUE PODCAST where you’ll hear us give updates, engage in heated topic debates, interviewing interesting homosexual men of color and us verbally adding on to the articles posted on the website.
The episodes will be available in three ways: You can listen to them on the site, watch on YouTube or download a MP3 version to your computer for listening on you commute to work or while you’re at the gym!
In this podcast, Cypher Avenue founders Ocky Williams & Nick Delmacy discuss Richard Sherman’s rant, Drag Queen Tre Melvin’s coming Out, Gay House Party Etiquette, Michael Johnson aka Tiger Mandingo & much more!
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I really don’t understand why anyone would think this site is “softer” or less edgy than DC. Granted I came to DC towards the end of it’s run, but I think this is about as offensive if not more than DC. But that’s just me.
What that has been posted on this site is really that offensive though? The fact that we separate masc and fem like heteros do men from women? Calling out the web series for being poor quality? Never featuring the work of transgender or flamboyant gay artists? This is offensive? I think we were pretty tame in the first six months of the site compared to the Discreet City days.
I caught DC at the tail end so you could be right. I just don’t feel that the tone of this site is that different.
Not saying I agree, but I do feel that I can understand where some gay guys are coming from when they make critical statements of CA and it’s POV. My parents always told me to keep family business in our house so that meant when me and my brothers were at each other, you didn’t tell everybody in the neighborhood. When CA takes a critical view of certain gay activity or lifestyle choices and the straight community can then piggyback off of that to attack parts of the gay community, it’s almost as if you guys are traitors. I disagree but I get it. I always hated when me and my brother were beefin and he went and chilled with one of his boys like they were on one side and I was on the other. In the eyes of many gays, you guys are more aligned with straights. Just my opinion.
I can understand that somewhat…but the type of commenting on the culture that we’re doing here has already been done for decades…its just been done in private…Since nothing has changed, when would it ever be a good time to discuss these things? I think you’re partly right though. The major problem is that we’re actually bringing up legitimate, hard to dispute points about the community so they feel threatened. Kinda like seeding doubt with logic in a religious believer.
Yeah, and unlike me and my family, there are no literal walls to hide the dissention within the gay community. Also, I think a lot of gay men understand the stereotypes that exist of gay men and when another gay man points out real-life examples of these stereotypes *Ahem* Trey Melvin, he’s looking down his nose. That’s it @Nick. I’ve figured it out. I think you guys are the uppity homosexuals always judging others. Trying to be straight and white. LOL
LOL possibly, lol
This podcast was dope, I really enjoyed it. One of the things that really resonated with me was how Ocky brought up how the gay community cares so much about what other anti-gay folks have to say about us. That crap annoys the heck out of me for real. You see this happen so much on a regular. I was on the huffpost website last week and I saw an article about Sherry Shepherd where she made an anti-gay comment on the view and also the dude from the bachelor said something negative as well. Anytime somebody in the media spotlight makes a negative comment about the community you always see these gay advocate groups taking a stand to get them to recant their remarks. It’s like why do we care so much, there will always be a group of people who will never like us! It’s like accept it and just move on, it’s not worth the time of day. There are too many other people who accept us with no hesitation. We need to focus on these people, not the ones who don’t like us. I hate how we as a community focus so much on getting everyone to accept us. Those who feel some type of way about homosexuals don’t give a damn about us so why should we give a damn about them?
I think the problem is that when people who have very public platforms to speak anti-gay rhetoric it should be challenged otherwise it can be damaging to gays as a whole. Can you imagine as a gay kid, you watch tv and all you see is people freely telling you how awful you are? I think we as adults(I’m assuming) forget that gay kids hear this stuff too.
I agree to a degree. I feel now (white gays and fem gays) play victim way to much. Being outraged over the same pastor/s and Ann Coulter for the same type of comments week after week is lame.
Yea hannibal that’s a good point. As I think about what you said it reminds me of why some young gay men grow up hating how they are gay. Hearing these negative comments at a young age can impact their self-esteem. I will say this though I know it’s probably a difficult thing for them to learn at that age, but at some point they will have to learn that not everyone one will support them and be on their team. And also that they can’t let this stop them from being who they are. Life is not the fairy tale that we all want it to be. Also for those young guys who are feminine they actually can look around and see many examples of older feminine gay men in the media who embrace who they are and which could help these young dudes embrace their sexuality more. Sadly the same can’t be said for those guys who are masculine.
I personally just think we have to be more proactive in protecting the young gays. While I don’t think we should blow the whistle 24/7, I do think we should go after things that are just silly and ridiculous like when people call us perverts and sick, and doomed to hell. Can you imagine hearing that and you’re like 10 years old? Can you imagine hearing it from someone you look up to? That’s why I commend GLAAD and the like for going after what I deem as hate or ignorance speech. And It kills me how gay men area always like “oh people can say what they want blah blah blah” but let someone say something vaguely racist and we flip our lids.
Yea racism will get me going for sure lol. Yea for young gay guys they are at a tender age where negative comments/opinions will affect them to a larger extent. I guess for them it’s a different story. It’s good to see gay advocate groups defend the community to help these youngsters not get caught up in the gay bashing. I understand where you are coming from.
You’re absolutely right. Playing Devil’s Advocate though, I can understand why many ppl feel the need to respond…We used to go through the same thing when ppl would attack Discreet City…While we knew we shouldn’t give the detractors the attention, we couldn’t let their words go responded to…lol
Yea I hear ya Nick. Sometimes its not so easy to ignore the nay-sayers with their criticism and opinions. I definitely can relate, I used to be bothered by such comments when I first came out and embraced my sexuality. I think at some point you realize that some will never change their opinion of how they feel so if anything it just gets more frustrating the more you listen and respond to what they are saying.
As to the whole idea of giving everything black & gay a pass because it’s black & gay,isn’t that just as bad as when thing’s aren’t supported because of the same? Im all for supporting your own,but if someone white said “i support this artist/filmmaker just because he is white” wouldnt that be an issue?
I do get that black and gay people are marginally less powerful,but I believe one of the biggest criticisms of Affirmative Action is that minorities get jobs just because they are minorities and not based on their skills (i know this is another can of worms).But by that logic shouldn’t we be able to tell our brethren “this is what you need to do to reach your potential”? That way there is we can minimise tokenism and we actually earn our accolades by being the best.
That’s the ironic thing…we talk about the web series, music and film and are told we’re being too critical…yet those same ppl don’t talk about/promote those artists at all, just heterosexual reality show stars…I agree with you, at least we’re giving critique and even advertising the work…most ppl like the web series we discuss on Cypher ave, even though our reviews are negative. So the exposure alone is helping to create new fans.
Really though, as grown men,we should all be able to handle criticism towards ourselves and things we like.It’s far more harmful and patronizing to just say you like everything and leave it at that.Artists typically make things to engage you and have some type of dialogue going on some level
You know I am new to this site and I am already a huge fan simply for the dialogue of what seems to be like minded dudes. And after going through the past podcast, I wish I would have caught wind to this site earlier so i could have been apart of the other convos. So let me just comment on this podcast and maybe future ones to come, etc.
In my opinion about the saying things about gay people, kid gloves thing. I don’t think its the fact of tip-toeing around the “feelings” of gay people. We have to realize, that gay people, gay men, BLACK gay men, US!!!! Our lives can still be very, VERY, complicated living in this skin. And while people are absolutely, entitled to their opinion, some criticisms should be applied with maybe a bit a constructive “emollient” instead harsh stabs that may make wounds even deeper. I do agree however, that while being overly politically correct these days is MADNESS, i think, and everyone should not have to apologize for simply stating their opinions. We also, just maybe, should have a lil more compassion in regards to other peeps feelings. But maybe thats me being a good ole southern boi. LOL
Very valid points, our problem with this is the same men saying we should be more “positive” are the same gay men on Twitter and Facebook GOING IN on celebrities/public figures/black women on reality TV….They’re the ones creating the photo memes and pictures ridiculing hair/outfits/skin color/teeth/etc….Maybe its the case of the bullies being bullied, they can dish it out but they can’t take it…
It has sort of become the blk gay community’s version of wit to ” throw shade” and “read” people
The show @ocky was referencing in the podcast with Joan Rivers is Fashion Police. It’s interesting that Joan and by these fashion critic bloggers, often times get a pass for their biting commentary on the fashion of certain actors and actresses up until a certain point. It’s ok for Joan to lampoon Lucy Lu’s gown but she gets into trouble when she lampoons Lucky Lu’s eyes or make yellow jokes about her skin. Granted,you guys aren’t doing the same thing exactly, but maybe more effeminate gay guys feel that your commentary goes more in the latter direction. Do you think they would be as offended if you critiqued only a certain mini-series’ plot, editing, audio and made no mention of the waxed eyebrows, glossy lips and sassiness of it’s male actors? It would make for a boring ass review but less hurt feelings.
Thanks man for joining the Cypher. We always appreciate new voices and points of view that can add to the conversation.
What’s so wrong with holding each other to a higher standard? Gays are just far too sensitive for my taste. I like CA because they have their own opinions and aren’t afraid to speak out on them respectfully. The only way we as a community are to progress is to be open and completely objective. So keep it up guys.
Great podcast guys..on some chilling, having a few drinks shit. I wasnt mad at all. But I am mad that this is really going on..with all of the angry emails n accusations n shit. Masculine gays are the new black!
I had a coworker, also black n gay, just the other day, basically tell me how proud he was of me for not being him. So many dudes want a big masculine prince to come thru and scoop them up, but so few of us are willing to accept that we have testosterone n balls. If we’re all running around here bumping pocketbooks, then where are the big masculine dudes of fantasies gonna come from???
LMAO…It does seem like its discouraged for men to actually like being “men” and proclaim it.
I listened to the podcast and I have to disagree with the statements concerning “playing victim”.
When was it ever ok to allow people to go unchecked for saying foul shit? Their vitriol is the standard that many dumb asses will follow if it’s allowed to fester. I’ve always had advocacy in my blood so maybe I’m bias, but I’m sure as hell ain’t nobody’s “victim”.
@nick @ocky I know this is random lol, but I totally forgot to ask when you guys first posted the podcast. I love the music you guys put in the background, I be jammin all the time while I’m listening to what you guys are discussing lol. I recognized most of the songs in the background, but I didn’t know what was the name of song that started playing around the 12:30 mark. What is the name of song? It’s killing me that I don’t know lol.
Thanks Nick, appreciate it man! Now I’m at peace that I finally know the song lol. I’ve never heard this outkast song before, glad I know now.