Hidden camera style exposés like Dateline NBC’s To Catch A Predator and ABCs What Would You Do have been around for years. These shows attempt to capture real life wrong doings, racism, sexism, hypocrisy etc. unbiased and unfiltered. Advancements in technology now means anyone with a hidden camera, computer access and an agenda can now expose perceived flaws in our society
On the heels of the much talked about and controversial 10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman, there has been the not so serious copy cat satirical videos and those with a more serious tone. Enter 3 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Homosexual. At this point in life, I’m no longer shocked over the fresh hell of fuckeries that human beings vomit up on a daily basis. Let me pick through regurgitit (made up word) with a long pointy stick to highlight the fuckeries from this video.
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Is There A Real Purpose To This Video?
The video was made by Dennis Cee and Alan Scorsese. Looking at their catalog of videos, most are centered around pranks and cheap-shock-value laughs. I love dumb college guy prank humor so no offense there. I do feel this video was done for shock value and click bait while attempting to bring awareness to a serious subject. If we are talking about a real serious problem do the ends justify the means? Even with its flaws, in this case I feel they do.
I guess I have to take the word of Dennis and Alan. The state at the beginning they are attempting to bring awareness. Fair enough, but then they go onto use the term “dress as a homosexual.” From viewing comments on Youtube and social media sites, many question what does “dress as a homosexual” mean and many were offended by this description?
Let’s be honest and fair, many homosexual men do fall into a stereotype when it comes to body language, mannerism and style of dress. However being fair, many hetero/metrosexual men display effeminate body language and mannerisms also. Nonetheless the makers of this video choose to dress the actor in tight orange pants and a two sizes to small v-neck shirt, while carrying a Victoria Secrets bag, because in their minds, that’s how a homosexual man dresses. My first thought was really?…but then again I have seen similar outfits in person on gay men for years. This stereotype has and most likely will continue to exist in media and real life, so I’m not sure if I can truly fault the producers of the video for this. Whether masculine or feminine, homosexual men who don’t fit this stereotype will still be associated with it, which generalizes and further perpetuates a gay caricature.
The Double Standard
“Hello, Good Morning, How Are You?” were just a few of the non-sexual comments that were directed towards the actor in the 10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman video. Skimming numerous articles, blog posts, feedback comments and listening to numerous news pundit talking heads after the video went viral, many posed the question, “why did the men have to say anything to the woman at all?” I asks the same question here, “why did the women in 3 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Homosexual have to say anything to the male actor at all?” Not only that, one young lady touches/caresses his arm. If in appearance, this is an obvious gay man to these women, what makes it okay for them to “cat call” and invade this man’s personal space? Putting it out there, why do some women think that if a man is gay they can touch him appropriately? Just like with domestic violence, sexual assaults and sexual harassment, there are double standards that continue to persist for men and women in our society.
Shit Just Got REAL
I have a feeling if this social video experiment was conducted at night, there would have been some serious problems. I feel the actor could have been in real danger if he encountered some of the same individuals. Unfortunately homosexuality and to a greater extent “gayness” is perceived as a weakness. Under the cover of darkness, some of what we see here could have easily escalated into psychical AND sexual assault. I think we also witness in the video some possible self-esteem or psychological ailments from some of the harassers. I say this because if you have to challenge a supposed weaker stranger on the street via intimidation and threats; then you’re attempting to compensate for some personal shortcomings. Similar to why it takes two or more bashers to beat up one gay dude.
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People (by inclusion gay people) come to New York from all over the world. To witness in board daylight a perceived gay man being harassed, called a faggot and borderline psychical assaulted is maddening. It sucks being the “glass have empty” guy when talking with friends about racism, classism and religion amongst other things but videos like this continues to prove that anti-gay sentiments are alive and thriving regardless of the amount of states LGBT people can get married in. Just because one may not personally experience an “ism or phobia” that doesn’t mean it’s not a serious and quality of life impacting concern for many others.
As a masculine SGL man, this is an experience I most likely would not encounter. Some may call it a component of masculine patriarchal privilege. Regardless if it’s only in my mind or with a friend, I observe and crack jokes or make fun of people every day. Yes looking at the actor in this video I would laugh at his pants and shirt but it would be to myself or spoken privately. No way would I say things out loud, be rude or disrespectful while in the recipient’s presence that would be considered harassment or bullying. In my mind, I don’t have the right to make someone feel uncomfortable, infringe on their personal space, or compromise their well-being. That is mean and hurtful. As to the video itself, The Walking Around While (fill in the blank) videos I fear are starting to become a fad. This could possibly cause the videos to lose effectiveness and in the process the seriousness of the actual message/s will be lost.
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I just have to say damn. I will be honest that I have witnessed this before firsthand. When I went to D.C. in summer 2009 for a summer medical program, I met many cool, funny and educated black men from all parts of the world. There was one guy that I ended up being put in a group with because we shared the same mentor. I noticed that he was more effeminate but he dressed like boy so to speak. We were paired up for different activities and over time we started to spend a lot of time together. The truth is that this guy and I ended up being very cool. It was like a bromance in a way then people started to notice that we were usually together if I wasn’t with my other masculine Nigerian friend that I still know to this day who is in medical school now. So fast forward…. in 2009, I am on my way to the Lincoln Monument with a large group of people from my program (there were 80 of us at Howard) and I am walking with the effeminate guy that I became cool with. While we are walking, there is this thuggish looking African-American male who appeared to be in his 30s with some beat up clothes on. I looked away at something else but I knew that I heard a homophobic comment (either “pu$$y” or F*****) from somewhere. After hearing that, I looked back on the path I was walking then I saw my friend looking sort of down. Then I put two and two together. I asked him what happened and he just brushed it off. Sadly, I could honestly tell that he was hurt. I could tell that the man’s comment did disturb him. My friend was not dressed up in a shirt and pants that were two or more sizes too small with a Vicky’s Secret bag but he still got flack for the way he walked and his mannerisms. At the end of the day, I just tried my best to lift his spirit up and keep it moving. When we got back to the dorms, I just thought to myself how f*cked up it is that people can really be so damn mean. I know at times I was SUPER insecure about my sexuality back then about how some people may have felt about me associating with him. But back then I never really made it a thing so it was FAR back in my mind so I guess that’s why I didn’t run the other way when forming a relationship with the guy.
While I feel like wearing things like that is going to attract attention, these people are so disgusting to the point that I felt like this was staged.
Wow thats really fucked up.
Plus the guy looks painfully awkward at the same time. You tell this was seriously making him uncomfortable.
I saw this video on several sites today and I really don’t understand the point other then some type of provocative pointless click bait. I firmly believe that people shouldn’t fear walking down the street even in the most flamboyant types but what really bothers me is the description of the video and the absurd stereotyping that utilizes…
What would have been more interesting is if the video depicted two men walking hand in hand and for characterization sake, they appeared normal in stature and standards…
This is just another ploy to capitalize on recent “Secret Video” hysteria.
@blackguyexecutive I think you’re idea is so much better! Picture it! Boris Kudjoe and Morris Chestnut type dudes holding hands. THAT would have been something to see!
I really just don’t know why people get mad at seeing him though. Yeah I know I would notice it but I would keep it moving.
Exactly, I have a friend who is flamboyant and eccentric to say the least and there have been times when we walking somewhere and I am thinking really….you gonna wear that cape? But for the most part people stare and keep it moving, like you said. I use to feel embarrassed but I was younger and more self-conscious now, I am like if he is comfortable going out in the world like that then the least I can do walk with him, he is also 3rd degree black belt so that helps too.
Its like those video where people try and pick on a drag queen and the drag queen turns around and kicks their ass…I’ve learned not to judge a book by its cover…
3rd degree black belt?! don’t mess with your friend! that’s why he be wearin that cape cuz he can fight like a superhero! hahaha
Sad to say, the responses don’t surprise me. This kind of harassment is something that visibly feminine men face on a far more frequent basis than a lot of us might realize. And keep in mind, this is “super liberal” New York city. Imagine what would have happened if he were walking down a rural Mississippi road like that.
Also, while his wording of “dressed like a homosexual” may not be ideal, it kills me that so many of these YouTube comments are trying to say the guy’s harassment had nothing to do with being seen as gay. Like them calling him faggot, not a real man, and the other mockery didn’t tie into looking like a feminine gay man. Ignoring the problem or trying to obfuscate makes them almost as bad as those people throwing out the slurs.
One criticism I have with this video is small, but the way he was holding the bag seemed unrealistic to me. It seemed he was being real extra for some reason. Who really holds a purse or bag like that whether its a gay man or woman? However, it still doesn’t excuse the ignorance shown by the “men” in this video. Sad
I noticed that too.
I was like “He’s really holding that bag out like he’s trying to present it to someone.” No body walks like that holding a bag. And really? Victoria’s secret? I’m sure there’s some well known gay male leather wear supply shop they could have gotten a bag from.
This comes of as fake in a way to me. These reactions all seemed to be super extra. Like that one guy in the hoodie made a beeline straight into him.
I hope some of these were staged.
It looked to me like a bunch of staged shit to me, too. Especially the “Batty Boi” shit, and the chick that said “Nice Outfit” or some shit. Plus there really wasn’t anything “natural” about his demeanor, he looked more like Frankenstein’s Monster rather than an effeminate dude. I see fem dudes in the ‘hood all the time, and honestly muhfukaz really dont even bat an eye at them. Only the most ig’nant “Thug Life” dudes tend to snicker or side eye, and only the most ig’nant of them seem to direct any comments AT the dude, so yeah…this shit seem a little suspect to me. LOL
Staged or not, I’ve seen some of the most unnatural, flamboyant, and odd looking people on the streets of NYC. Each hood is different and it’s really not that uncommon for people from different parts of the city to be in Manhattan harassing total strangers for being different.
Now this is hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGlJ1IJckfk
That shit was INDEED hilarious!
The thing is, this video is totally staged and rehearsed. Like some of yall said, no1 carries a bag like that! There are queens running up and down every street in Manhattan 24/7 and 9/10 ppl have nothin to say. I get the point, but this stunt is not genuine. You could prob stab sum1 in the middle of the street here n half the onlookers would let it go becus they’re trying to catch the next train!
See comment from IJS above. Im just saying why are we acting like women, black folk and gays don’t get harassed?
Yes, black people get harassed and masculine gays get harassed perhaps if they are found out. Is it staged? I believe so, but let’s not act like feminine gay men don’t get fucked with or like it’s justified if they dress a little different. If he weren’t carrying that bag and just had a switch in his walk he’d still be a faggot to people.
I hear what yall are sayin, but at the end of the day, 90% of the time a gay man is walking down the streets of Manhattan he will be fine. Stupidity is never goin away, but ignorance has a chance. Not to mention, this guy is in union square of all places. U can see a group of 6 transsexuals walk right past 3 homeless ppl on each corner, some young dudes break dancing on the steps, some super drunk ass 20somethings, and any and everything else imaginable even at 4am. I’m not refuting the fact that harassment happens, I just feel like this example isn’t genuine. It could have been extremely genuine if it was shot somewhere else.
I agree. I think these types of videos are made for shock value to get people to pay attention
I am so over these damn ‘walking through this city and that city” Give me a damn break. This could have been ‘shot’ anywhere in the damn world and the responses would have been similar. These not too original social ‘experiment’ as it is called is nothing more than attention seeking wanna bees. Enough already!
They just wanted to bring attention to what some gay men have to go through just for being themselves. It’s no different from a black person secretly recording the sales people following them around Macy’s or whatever. It would be irresponsible of us to dismiss it and act like just because it happens everywhere we should brush it off and keep it moving. It was only a year or so ago that a gay man was shot dead in the West Village on the corner of one of the “safest” streets in NYC just for being gay.
They all protest too much. Granted, his bulge was showing which to me is inappropriate in public. But I always say that men with such an overt volatile reaction to homosexuality have some secret desires or deep seated problems (like a molestation issue). You could have just ignored him & paid it but instead you go out of your way to reject him the same way you’re rejecting your own inner “faggot”.
Side Bar – Just out of curiosity, why do you (and the American Public in general) find it “inappropriate” for his junk outline to be visible, but not find it inappropriate for women’s breasts and asses to be prominently outlined in their clothing. All three things have sexual connotation/connection, but for some reason d#$k prints catch the most flack. Again, I’m not trying to be confrontational, I’m just curious of the rationale. :o)
Cause dicks are evil.
Maybe because men are threatened when they see one bigger than theirs?
Maybe because it’s easier to put a penis away than boobs?
I’m the type where if I see you all the time, one particular trainer at my gym llllllooooooovvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeees to have his Hanging down his leg with tights on, after I get the idea that you only reaching for attention, I’m bored. I know his harem of trainees don’t mind and it’s clearly noticeable.
I actually didn’t notice the guy in the clips package until the original comment mentioned it.
But I mean if it’s so big you can’t help it, what are you to do? You can’t stay at home like a hermit and I’d hate people to regulate me to loose shorts and tight drawers to make others feel comfortable if I had obviously huge junk when it’s something you have no control over.
“Dicks are evil” LMAO I personally like seein’ dudes with junk bigger than mine…prominently displayed “Commando” in sweatpants or basketball shorts, in the summer heat. LOL In regards to that trainer, I completely feel you on that one. It’s nice to check out every once in awhile, but right I see that a dude is clearly just an attention whore, then the novelty quickly wears off. I’ve done the “show” every now and again myself so I’m not one to judge, I just hate that it garners attention from the “wrong” crowd. But truth, some dudes just don’t give a f$%k. LOL
Yeah the trainer dude has an accent like he’s from an island. Part of me thinks it’s just Island culture. The other part thinks “this is Atlanta after all”
Gym attire here runs the gamut. I’ve never seen so many dudes willing to wear tights and no shorts to cover up anything. Or just boxer briefs. And I’m going in the late morning time, not in the higher gay density region of town. I can only imagine. The dress code is liberal at la fitness. Lol
I have seen tights and shorts all up in betwixt many a man’s (and lady’s) ass crack. No imagination needed.
I ain’t complaining because it’s a few dudes I definitely don’t mind watching walk away.
I’m not a fan of tight apparel, actually. I prefer “Loose and Moving”, where I can see that you got nice junk, but there’s still some ‘mystery’. An ass is an ass, to me. I mean, I’ve seen some NICE lil rounds asses, but overall they’re like titties, to me. Some big, some small, but all the same basic shape. But a freeballer with a nice piece… LOL Ironically, you don’t see much of that in my gym. Dudes’ is apparently mad prudish here, they shits be bound and tethered TIGHT. LOL
Humm…. maybe I’m an ass man. My ex was kinda…flat. So now I’m all about that bass. I’m at the point where I notice all the differences in man butt shapes so I appreciate all of them just about. Not them two bricks with a crack ones though.
But feel you. Kinda like that one scene in Juno. lol
Ok…this aint the Activity Stream…can we stay on topic?????
(shhhhsssshhhh the principal’s coming!)
Exactly! I was about to start calling them all types of hoes! Lmao
See…
“REALLY, DUDE!!!??” {In my Ocky voice}} LOL!
Ocky, get down off your high horse. This masculine/fem debate doesn’t matter when you consider we are ALL just SGL men. Why do you think you are better because you consider yourself “Masculine?” Do you REALLY think these same worthless ass thugs in the video would say “Oh, he sucks dicks but he’s masculine so he’s cool” when they describe you? Really? As long as we stay in the closet and allow the black community and others to rape our dignity we will continue to be mistreated. Why should there be division amongst ourselves? We allow uneducated, prison bound and rebound worthless ass irresponsible shiftless ass black men who live off women demean us because we hate ourselves. THAT’S the better story.
No high horse nor a Masc Vs Fem debate. Frankly…what the hell are you talking about? Who said masc was better than fem? Can you tell me where that’s stated above?
Can somebody help me out here…did I miss something?
W this level of crazy in the comments section, I can’t even imagine Wasup in the prvt mssg/emails lol
You constantly remind your readers that you are a masculine gay man as if there is some kind of award around the corner or like you are better than other SGL black men? I have been with both men and women and I have never put myself above anyone or classified myself in a way that demeans others. I have a great disdain for elitism. I love what you are doing with your site and the community needs it just like we need leaders but know Leaders lead. There are some super fine ass men who like fem guys and drag queens more than they do a man claiming to be masculine. I don’t get drag queens but I give them credit for being bold and standing up for themselves the same as I do “fem” men. If it wasn’t for these types it would be much worse for ALL of us since black SGL men don’t stand up for anything. We could literally shut the black church DOWN but we don’t. LaVerne Cox has done more for black SGL people than any other black SGL man or woman in the business and there are MANY who are undercover. We should be THANKING fems and drag queens instead of laughing at them and putting them down. If they are not what you represent then… I don’t know… REPRESENT like Cox does. Show your face do videos (instead of podcasts) be proud of who you are and let the world know like they do instead of putting them down by putting yourself on a pedestal. Give us the balance and be the change that you want to see in the community. I personally thought the guy in the video was attractive and while I agree the way he was carrying the purse was not the way you usually see someone carry a purse, I found it charming since I knew he was acting. In addition I thought it was commendable that he even did the video. Of course the point would have REALLY been driven home if it was a black SGL man but would YOU have done it? Most importantly… WOMEN were attracted to him. Imagine that? So this means fem men can be attractive to women too and not relegated to black SGL helldom (lol). Most of the men I have come across who describe themselves as “masculine” are actually really bad actresses. I’m not saying that’s you but If you have to profess who you think you are KUDOS to lost essence and discovery. People should already pick that up. As black SGL men we have virtually no support systems. Is it possible that we can at least support each other? You can do your site however you want but when I think of the power black SGL men could have if we were not so afraid of coming clean…
I don’t think Ocky was ever insinuating that he was better than anyone just because he’s masculine. And plus I feel with his podcasts, he is just explaining the type of person he is. What he likes and don’t like. Just has I feel you have likes and dislikes. You can’t knock him for the things he likes and the stuff he just can’t connect or relate to. Thats one of the main reasons why they made this site. For them and other gay men like them to be able to connect and relate to each other.
Also Ocky is a grown man. Whether he decides to show his face or not (Which he has) is his decision. That’s what he’s comfortable with.
And yeah the feminine guys have been brave enough to actually give gay some exposure or respect but you can’t give credit to most of them because most of the stuff they are selling or marketing is not appropriate or respectful to the general public.
Also I remember awhile ago Nick or Ocky was explaining how they would get hate mail because of this site (and on some of the things they said about fems). But it takes two to tango. So both parties have to be willing to work with each other. I’m pretty sure if a more feminine site reached out to this site (which they probably have, IDK) Ocky and Nick will probably be willing to work with them.
And I’m pretty sure fem dudes make fun of masculine dudes too.
Sorry @Ocky if me commenting made things weirder or anything LOL.
This is just my thinking here, but I think maybe the ‘masculine reminding’ has to be done because otherwise, how would you let people know you are gay otherwise?
Most fem guys can be detected as gay with gaydar powered by a sweet potato. Not so for some men. And I know straight men who are soft but are as straight and non dl as they come. Not all of us are instantly ‘clocked’ so even in the event that we WANT someone else gay to step to us in a non gay environment or event, they may not just because they are not sure.
When the John Q. Public’s concept of what a gay man is is filled with pink tutus, boas, lisps, and fabulousness, it’s hard for gay men who do not fit that mold to stand out when they choose to do so. People like The Fashion Queens are getting attention and money for this vision of gay men. And I do think that a lot of it is extra camp because the cameras are there. But people forget about the Micahel Sams, Jason Collins, Esera Tualos, Keith Hamilton Cobbs, and John_Amaechis of the world because they don’t really seek attention for just simply being gay. They came out. People talked about it for a while and then people moved on.
Is it wrong for the more feminine gay men to wear short shorts, tank tops and sew ins every day? What about pride rings, rainbows, and pink triangles? It doesn’t seem like people ever have a problem with such displays. Even masculine gay men wear the pride symbols but not all of us are into that.
I just don’t understand why when people are different, or do not fit that image of what other people (which includes some gays) thinks ‘gay’ is supposed to be, why it has to be some type of conflict?
Gays always talk about acceptance, being themselves, and being ‘you’ or ‘live your truth’ but hate it when other people’s ‘truth’ isn’t the same as their own.
I am gay. And I am a Jamaican! I am proud to be both! I have seen guys like this and people automatically think that they are gay. I have met many white gay men that would fit this stereotype (and yes this video is hyped up) and all I can say is, they think that I am a rabid homophobic black man and that I will start to shout “Boom Bye Bye in a Batty Boi Head….”. Trust me, it has happened on many occasions!”
Sad thing is though, I have actually saved many gay men of different colours (yes I am not American by the language lol) from homophobic violence and abuse and I am skinny as anything and not a threat!
At the times when this abuse has happened, there have been other gay men who are more buff / muscular (and mainly white) who could have done something but have decided to run off, leaving me to deal with it.
They have then returned once everything is ok.
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