Joe: Dem primary system rigged against voters

For better or worse,we're a capitalist country.A camapaign is a big pageant where they tell us "I love God and family like ou,and I'll lower taxes" but basically they're just telling the deep pockets "pay my way in and I'll create policies to support your interests" ,so none of this shocks me.

I vote out of a sense of social responsibility ,but i don't always feel like it matters.At the same time,I can't complain when I didn't exert the teeny tiny bit of effort I could have.

 

I'll be totally honest....they might as well be speaking Mandarin Chinese. I have NO comprehension of what they're talking about.

 

"He won by 12 points!!! 12!"

The vote was 156-124.

The rules are what they are. Remember in 2008 when Obama won the nomination because he very carefully figured out how to maximize his delegate numbers while also losing the popular vote? About 300,000 more people vote for Hillary than Barack. He won anyways since his vote was efficient though hers was concentrated.

It's an fallible system established by fallible men. It's what we have right now. It's not what needs or will be around in 50 years, but people should take action.

 

Everyone knows that Joe is a Republican POS but when it suits your Bernie agenda you are all up in bed with him. Yeah if this was so important why did you not complain about it before-why now, because it is not working in your candidates favor? Show me where this was an issue with you from 6 months ago????? *waits*.

If it was Bernie who was getting the benefit of these (stupid I will admit) super-delegates would you really have posted this?

 

I'm OK with superdelegates being left to the dustbin of history however Bernie would still be losing anyway without them so this is much ado about nothing.

 

For real, my dude. I'm not politically savvy at all. I have no interest in politics and I have no capability to try and discuss it in depth. I just look at it all "on the surface", and on the surface this whole election is one big reality show. The rest of the world has to see us as a big joke.

 

You both have admitted that nobody listens to the podcasts with the exception of yourselves and your man-so that shit doesn't count. And I asked why the question was being asked now and if it would be asked if things were the other way around-and did you not see the (stupid I will admit) part? But that is the way it is set and there is nothing we can do about it. It does suck but we knew that going in now didn't we? What is the point of complaining now? At this time? I am agreeing the superdelegates suck-but then they sucked in the last election and the one before that didn't they?

I am agreeing in a sense, I am also just additionally pointing out what I see as sour grapes dude.



*Nick said that about the podcasts..lol..I just used what he said...you know I have admitted I have listened to them all. lol I did not say I remembered everthing though.

 

So by this thread I take it that @alton is not going to vote? Well if not, that is not a big deal. The Australian I have the bet with regarding Trump was complaining about the fact that voting is mandatory there-you have to vote-it is required by law. That sucks-voting is a right and a privilege, but it is not a requirement here and that is the way it should be. That is just one more thing that I like about us-you have the option to participate or not participate.

Similar to our free speech-how much of what we say would be against the law in other nations like Canada or Australia or parts of Europe. I may not agree with people like the Fred Phelps of the US, but I will defend their right to spew as long as they are not inciting violence or calling for violence. Same with the KKK-hate them, but they have the right to exist and spew their hatred, as long as they are not calling for violence. Look up Emma Goldman-she was instrumental in the founding of the American Civil Liberties Union.

 

I saw this bullshyt on Morning Joe this morning. How is the system rigged for Hillary when she has more votes?! If they're saying the votes should matter above all else, Hillary would STILL have a huge lead. As of today, she has 2.4 MILLION freaking more votes than Bernie Sanders. If it should be no delegates or super-delegates and majority votes win, she still has the advantage. This BS narrative the Hillary is unpopular, un-electable and that the DNC is rigging the system is tiresome. Bernie has had 9 months to make his case and most of the people participating in the process have rejected it thus far.

 

Both Joe and Mika have been saying this entire election cycle that the DNC and Debbie Waserman-Schultz (sic) have been tryng to set up the nomination for Hillary, that's where my point is coming from. They start off their "rigged against the voters" rant right after reporting that Bernie won the state in votes but got less delegates than Hillary, how can one not assume that's what they meant. Even Mark Halperin made that assumption in the moment, sitting right next to them!

They LOVE Trump and HATE Hillary on that show.

But I'll say again, even if you take the entire delegate system away, the "system" is still supporting "the democratic will of the people."

2.4 Million more votes.

If Bernie had more 2.4 million more votes than her, but was still behind by over 200 pledged delegates, I would see the "rigged against voters" argument. But that's not the case here.

Same on the GOP side, all that shit Trump talks, he's not cleaning up as much as he claims. By this time in 2012, Mitt Romney had a larger delegate and vote lead with the Republican base.

I hate the Delegate system too but I do get why it exists: To balance out the states/counties with greater populations with those with lower populations. This is the same system that Barack Obama expertly manipulated to beat Hillary, McCain and Romney. As with sports, people only complain about the rules when their team is losing.

 

Did the same system not exist in the last election, and the election before that?

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(^^ this is about superdelegates. List of Democratic Party superdelegates, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

Oh wait..it DID exist and matter. Where were you then or in 2012? Can you show us evidence that you were as upset then as you are now? Or is it just a problem now that your anti-Hillary...er I mean Bernie is not benefiting from it?

Your motives are suspect Ocky. It is not a good look. Just sayin'

 

Fuck this. You all will still be friends no matter what but I will just be the more hated evil white guy. I don't give a fuck who gets in the White House as long as it is has a pulse and is a Democrat!

 

Manipulate was probably the wrong word...I meant "take advantage of the rules." To use video game terms, its no different than a person who uses the correct game controller power move combinations against an opponent in a fighting game vs someone who thinks landing the most X-button punches and Y-button kicks is enough.

The rules haven't changed in decades and were created to balance voting out. California and New York shouldn't have the power to choose every president just because they have more people than any other state.

 

Just like Bill Clinton said, activists and protestors hate hearing the truth.

 

ummm, I don't know about that. And definitely not for me!

 

I was stretching I will admit and was just tired from fighting with people on other parts of the internet. I never claimed to 'know you' as I was only commenting on one small issue which was the concern over superdelegates. My response over one issue hardly suggested that I 'know you' to any extent at all from what I appear to see you doing over this one. small. issue. -which I really don't care too much about actually-don't know why I even commented-maybe why my 'I don't give a fuck stupid response came up-why am I caring about this?

So please don't make what I said into more than what it was.

 

It was a stupid response lol. I was just fed up from fighting with people on the internet(not here) and I really don't care about this particular issue that much-especially at this time when nothing can be done about it-any change cannot happen in the middle of campaigns obviously.

Sometimes when an issue is being discussed and Ocky and Nick are going at it, it just becomes all about them-basically it is their bicker thread and that is it-which is fine it is their site. But it kind of becomes pointless to be in the thread when that happens.

Just how I see it very occasionally happening on this site and not in any way an indictment of Ocky, Nick, this site, gay masculine black men in general, gay black men in general, black men in general, black people in general- just so I don't get accused of 'knowing that which is unknowable'. It is just an observation based on a few instances and NOTHING MORE.