FLAKY GAY MEN or: How To Lose Friends And Distance People

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    Flaky Gay Men are found in every city, state and country all over the world. They’re often late, unreliable, stand you up on dates, cancel plans at the last minute, don’t return calls or text messages in a timely manner, or just plain unreliable when you need to depend on them.

    A Gay Flake will flake out on you in just about any situation or circumstance. Their behavior is often the result of either overextending themselves to please a lot of people, being procrastinators who are always juggling too many people, events and promises made to themselves and others or a plain old lack of consideration for anyone but themselves.

    On the surface, they appear to be popular, outgoing people with tons of friends. Once you kick the tires and lift the hood you often find out that they don’t have many real friends or close relationships with actual human beings at all. Those fun Instagram pics are a façade. Many of their “friends” are actually just associates or fans, not real companions or comrades.

    Gay Flakes can’t maintain real bonds for long mainly because of their own behavior and how they’ve treated others in the past. These men often blame others for their situation instead of looking within.

    Sometimes this flakiness only applies to the “Gay” side of the Gay Flake’s life. I’ve been friends with closeted masculine gay men who seemed to have all the time in the world for their unsuspecting Straight friends but they were always unreliable when it came to being on time or keeping platonic social appointments with me.

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    What you’re reading here isn’t the writings of a gay man feeling rejected. The Gay Flakes I’m referring to are the men who actively reach out to you for friendship or companionship, oftentimes enthusiastically with lots of charm and charisma, only to break their own promises.

    So while it may be easy to dismiss a Gay Flake as a person who’s just not that into you, that doesn’t explain why they often go out of their way to display a desire to keep you in their lives.

    Admittedly, I’ve been guilty of this. I was a flake in the past. A big one. While I’ve never stood anyone up on a date (without a very legitimate reason), I’ve often been late to dates or appointments with friends and I can sometimes not be the best communicator when it comes to initiating text or phone conversations (for reasons I’ll explain in another essay).

    I’ve been so late in the past that I’ve had friends tell me that they won’t leave their homes until I’ve texted that I’m either on the way to the meet-up spot or that I was already there. Only recently have I got back on good graces with these guys.

    So as a recovering Gay Flake, I have developed a keener eye for seeing other Gay Flakes of the world…Sort of like when Roddy “Rowdy” Piper puts on a pair of sunglasses.



    As gay men, we’re all either a Gay Flake or we know one. They aren’t always the popular “Instagram Gays” with hundreds of selfie likes, they can also be the reclusive “Hermit Gays” who complain about a lack of real platonic bonds as they self sabotage every potential friendship that comes their way.

    I have a flaky gay “friend” who gets hundreds of social media likes on anything he posts but when I ask him about his social life he complains about being a loner without many friends. Hell, even I’m not his friend in the traditional sense, but it’s not for a lack of trying on my end.

    Oftentimes the Gay Flake doesn’t know he’s a flake at all. They lack the ability to see the man in the mirror. There may be a psychological reason for this.

    I’d hypothesize that many Gay Flakes are borderline Sociopaths, they suffer from Antipersonal Personality Disorder. Yes, that sounds extreme but let’s look at the symptoms of Sociopathic Behavior.

    Psychology Today argues that a person with Sociopathic tendencies “has an attention bottleneck that allows him to focus only on one activity or train of thought, to the exclusion of others.” They also state that, “people with this illness may seem charming, but they are likely to be irritable and aggressive as well as irresponsible.”

    Other traits of a Sociopath:

    • Superficial charm and good intelligence
    • Unreliability
    • Untruthfulness and insincerity
    • Lack of remorse and shame
    • Poor judgment and failure to learn by experience
    • Pathologic egocentricity and incapacity for love
    • Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations
    • Fantastic and uninviting behavior with alcohol and sometimes without
    • Suicide threats rarely carried out
    • Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated
    • Failure to follow any life plan

    Some of the traits could apply to many of us but superimpose that list to the people you know who are constantly flaky. Do you see more commonalities than differences?

    I may have been a flake in the past but I can’t say that I was a sociopath.

    To be honest, in-person I can sometimes come off aloof and unapproachable (as I’ve been often told), however once people get to know me they realize that I’m often too sociable….sometimes to the point of being needy or clingy. Also, when I have to break a date or appointment, I feel tons of remorse and guilt. Missed calls and unresponded text messages often haunt me until I have a chance to reply.

    This is not the case for many Gay Flakes.

    They Give No Fucks.



    Like Gay Dating, these flakes are often only looking for self-satisfaction to their own needs, not a mutual building of a normal healthy relationship or friendship with another person that requires work, compromise and sometimes doing things you don’t want to do.

    So as a recovering flake, here are some ways to deal with or outright avoid the Gay Flakes of the world.

    1. Don’t Ask Questions to Slow Texters

    Let’s paint a picture: You get a text message from a Gay Flake and you instantly text them back. The phone was literally still in their hand when you responded. Instead of a timely response, this happens:



    Slow texters are frustrating creatures that we all have to deal with occasionally. The ironic part about them is they are often people who say they PREFER texting to talking on the phone.

    By slow texters, I don’t mean the people that take 5 or 10 minutes to respond…even 20 minutes is (sometimes) acceptable if you know that the Gay Flake is working, in class or in the gym at the time.

    I’m referring to the 30 minutes to 2+ hour delayed texters. Exchanging messages at that rate of time is actually slower than it took people to communicate by telegraph in the 1850s!

    Look, I get it, not everyone is attached to their smartphone at the hip. However, oftentimes the people who are slow texters are the same people you always see with the cells in their hands or face up on the table/bar/desk in front of them wherever they are. A betting man would be safe to assume that your messages were being screened much like a call that the Gay Flake lets go straight to voicemail.

    Either way, a way that I’ve learned to avoid frustration on a normal texter’s end is to not ask any questions at all. And if you do, don’t ask questions that you actually want an answer to promptly.

    Here’s the theory: Questions build up expectations on your end for a response, which leaves you hanging. Instead, phrase responses as statements that allow for responses but could also stand on their own. This is kind of like the finale of a TV show that may not be renewed for another season: There are new storylines established for the potential next season but if it’s cancelled, it’s still a satisfactory ending for the overall series (ie: The Season 2 finale of The LA Complex).

    Again, this only applies to slow texters. If this seems like too much work, the ultimate solution to dealing with slow texters is to not text them at all.

    2. Force Them To Make Specific Plans

    If you’re friends with a flake or attempting to date one, getting physical face-to-face time with them can be a hassle. Statistically speaking though (based on my own metrics), Gay Flakes tend to stick to plans they’ve made themselves more than the plans made by others.

    These plans can’t just be vague. You must force them to be as detailed as possible because it helps to visually solidify the appointment in their minds.

    For example: If a Gay Flake says “Let’s hang out on Saturday,” DON’T LEAVE IT AT THAT UNTIL SATURDAY!

    You have to force him to tell you when and where you will meet, otherwise he’ll forget all about it or even accidentally make plans to do something else. If they make the plans, they visualize it in their minds. It becomes more concrete and they own it. This makes it harder for them to flake out on you without guilt. It’s similar to the thought of not showing up or being late to your own party that you’re hosting.

    Until they build their “social credit” back up to a 750 score, force them to make the plans and keep them.

    Something as simple as: “Let’s meet at the Taco Mac Sports Bar on Peachtree at 6pm” is better than a vague, “Let’s hang out” because he knows you will be there waiting for him to show up if he doesn’t.

    What if he still doesn’t show up?

    3. Don’t Accept Being Repeatedly Stood Up

    Being stood up happens to all of us. It stings worse when you’re stood up by a date, especially a first date. When people think of being stood up they often imagine the clichéd scene in the movie where the guy is sitting alone at the bar as he downs drink after drink to symbolize time passing.

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    Being stood up can apply to any given situation. From movie dates to see a new Marvel Studios blockbuster all the way down to just meeting up with a platonic gay friend for a cup of coffee. A person cancelling at the last minute or not showing up shows you that they don’t value you or your time.

    As post-college adult gay men, many of us have busy schedules where we are juggling work with personal time, gym time and a social life. Gay Flakes seem to think that they are the only busy people on the planet. When they back out of or don’t show up to a planned connection, it never occurs to them how this will affect your own schedule. How you rearranged your own plans to spend valuable time with them.

    We’ve all heard the old idiom: Time is money. This is true even when actual money isn’t involved.

    When a Gay Flake stands you up (especially with little notice or valid reason), they are showing you your worth to them.

    Sometimes this isn’t intentional or vindictive, they’re just scatterbrains. However, many times it’s a very intentional matter of them finding something better to do (the next best thing) and either forgetting to cancel plans with you in advance or just not having the courage to do so.

    When this happens, don’t forget it.

    I’ve often been that person working harder for a platonic friendship or intimate relationship than the Gay Flake. I’ve also often been the person giving trusting second, third and fifth chances to the flake, only to be bamboozled time after time. For a long time I chalked it up to their flakiness as just being a part of the cost of dating them or being their friend.

    Eventually I realized that thinking was actually devaluing my own self worth. Now I give one strike and you’re out.

    People make time for the things they really want to do.

    4. Depending on Them – Tread With Caution

    Gay Flakes can actually be good in a pinch. There’s something about emergencies that instantly bump you up to the top of their priority queue. However this is not always the case. Especially if what you need them for is not in their immediate peripheral time vision.

    For a normal person, giving notice for help weeks or months in advance is a guarantee for your prayers to be answered. To a Gay Flake, you might as well have put a down payment on a flying car that you won’t test drive until the year 2050.

    Gay Flakes don’t do advance notice well because that requires being good at keeping appointments and sticking to plans. Remember, if they haven’t made the plan or asked you for the favor, it doesn’t become real to them in their minds.

    This is especially true if they are not getting anything in return. If you ask the Gay Flake to help you move into your new condo next month, they will hesitate but eventually agree only to be nowhere to be found once moving day hits. Remember that they’re slow texters too so don’t expect a timely response to your messages asking if they’re still helping you out.

    This begs the question: If you doubt the dependability and reliability of your friend, are they really a friend to begin with?

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    5. Always have a backup plan

    If you must keep that consistent Gay Flake in your life, having a backup plan is the key to your own happiness and sanity. If he makes plans with you and his “social credit” score is a 300, it’s best to assume that he will flake out on you like always.

    Have alternative plans waiting in the wings so that your day or evening will not be completely wasted and you won’t feel like a loser.

    And for Heavens’ sake, have some self respect and don’t repeatedly call or text him once you get the vibe that he’s flaking out on you once again. If you do, you’ll likely get the same response that the frog did when the scorpion stung him, “…It’s my nature.”

    What are your experiences with Flaky Gay Men? Are you an admitted Flake yourself? Sound off in the Cypher below.
     
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    My ex is the epitome of a gay flake. I think this applies to so many gay men because so many of them flat out, live really flaky lifestyles. Hell, look at the dating aspect alone. No accountability whatsoever.
     
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    This rings so true to me. Gosh, do I know so many flakes...not just gays. I posted a status a couple of weeks ago when I was meeting a friend for coffee. She called me 30 minutes after our agreed upon meet-up time telling me she just let the house. Meanwhile, I left 40 mins early(20 minutes drive but I even accounted for traffic) and thought I was late.

    She was ashamed and very apologetic tho and she is cool so I squashed it out because the next time we were both on time. she told me she assumed that since we were Africans, we were both going to be late. LOL since when is being from anywhere in the World allows you to be inconsiderate of other people's time and plans?

    I don't do that PC Time shit: If I say I'll be there around 09:00am, I am there around 09:00am.


    Is there something like a considerate flake? lol I try to at least let someone know 24 hours in advance if I won't be able to meet-up and always end with "how about X-Day at Y-time instead?" sometimes life just happens, but I guess your definition of flake is someone who creates a habit out of "cancelling plans" or who just doesn't even care at all to let anyone know.
     
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    This is why I don't have a lot of friends, I know a whole bunch of flakey individuals so I let them be them and and note the lesson that I'm not a priority and keep it casual.
     
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    Nick, could you tell if there was a particular reason why you acted that way when you did? Perhaps it might provide some insight in understanding why people act flaky.
     
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    Im ____, many options of a mess to fill in the blanks w, but Im not a flake! I respect consistency.
     
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    You bring an interesting point. I am eager to hear about his "why" as well
     
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    hm, I needed this. For my straight friends though.
     
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    *cough @alton cough*....

    Lol, nah, he's never flaked on me, he just won't leave the damn 'partment, to even get a chance to flake!
     
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    Long ago, before iPhones, flip phones, cell phones, I gave up on guys who, after our discussing plans for an upcoming date of any type, would say, "I will pencil you in." My response was always, unless you have ink I am not interested.
     
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    As Ferdinand The Bull ♉️ You'll more than likely find me at home anyway or if I'm out I'm enjoying the city and festivities alone. I have experienced too many "flakes" and because I'm dependable I have a strong dislike when someone wastes my time. I'm the type that will allow you to be late but by the time you get there I've already ordered , probably eating and getting ready to pay for my things. Time is something we can't get back ... Don't waste mine. Sighs guess that makes me a hermit lol
     
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    I know so many flakes. I use to sorta be one. Not necessarily a flake but I never like to say yes to people when I was invited to this or that. One of my New Years resolutions this year was to say yes more. It has truly changed the dynamics of my friendships. For the longest time, I purely concentrated on developing my resume and pedigree and everything else took a back seat, including close friendships and my premarital relationships. I recognize that I needed to start valuing other people's time and efforts. Now if I can do something like meet friends for brunch or attend a dinner party or even plan a vacation with close friends I say yes. I have also made a habit of remaining in touch with my 4 best friends. Even though we spread out all over the world. I send them a text or email every week to let them know they are important to me.
     
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    A friend once told me that if certain people keep flaking they'll suddenly wake up one day to find themselves not being invited to anything anymore. That's kinda where I am now. It's just not worth the effort.
     
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    I was just always running late...I can be bad at over-estimating how much time I have before I need to leave my home and still be on time for the meet-up, lol. Also, if a person initiates the meetup, I typically put the onus on them to organize everything like day, time and location. A lot of times, guys just like to say, "Let's hang out" and then never come up with an idea of what they wanna do.

    So my flakiness level was very minute.
     
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    My best friend from High School (whom I haven't seen since high school) was up here in NYC for the weekend and flaked out on me a few months ago. Me and this muhf#$ka was like Frick & Frack sophomore thru senior years, attached at the hip. So we catchin' up over the phone and sh!t and come to find out this dude rents out a property up in the BX and was here to check on some things so I'm like, damn dude, I pass by your place on the way to my padrino's house up in Pelham all the time! He talk all this sh!t bout "I miss you n!gg@. Its been madd long. You my brother, Yo' we gotta get up, blah blah blah, yada yada yada"...come the day we gonna meet up by my job, THIS negro come say..."Oh uhhhhhh, lemme check wit wifey an' see what she say". N!gg@ WHET???!!! You gotta clear with yo wifey, if you can hang out with your best friend that you ain't seen in 22 fukin years??????
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    End story I never hear back from him and we never met up. This the second time this sh!t happen with him, a third time nah come'. And the worst part about it was this dude called ME out the f#$kin blue! BOTH times! smmfh
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    That is the worst.

    All of my friends are like that, and then they wonder why I don't hangout too often. Don't send vague texts and calls telling me you want to hang today, give no details and then I hear from you 12hrs later "come through...I'm at [insert location]".
     
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    Yeah... I definitely dont do the whole "let's hangout" thing anymore. It has worked 0% of the time.

    I try to get a tentative time,date, and location on Google Calendar lol . Sometimes it comes off as Type A but i don't care; i d rather be organized.
     
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    A few years ago, January, I was up in NYC and met a college friend who lived in the Hudson River Valley 2 hours north of the city. A beautiful sunny, warm January day that brings out the best in the city I spent so much time in when I was young. At the High Line standing on a corner, a dude on his cell trying to figure out if he could hook up with a friend, a lot of back and forth - I am your chronic listener-in. A few blocks later, same deal, another dude - so where you at, when you showin - Later in the day, the same scene.
    I asked my college friend - how'd we ever manage to hang out forty years ago. Our homes were 30 miles apart, our summer jobs were equally far apart, but somehow we managed to make plans and hang out three or four nights a week with different groups of friends.
    Things got settled ahead of time and folks showed. No cells, no texts, nothing but agreeing to a plan and sticking with it.
    Now my college friend was/is straght and in those days most of my friends were straight.
    I think of that day in January now and those days and I think back about getting together with my gay friends - a different crowd entirely then - and I realize that no date was ever set in stone, in ink with a number of them. Being stood up was just part of the game then. So perhaps after all the flake factor is a constant.
     
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    If I ever just say "let's hangout" it's usually days in advance and I always remind/verify before the day comes. Only after I get confirmation do I start making specific plans. Nothing worse than planning a whole night out only to get flaked on the day of...
     
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    Good point and observation. Looking back, 95% of the time it's been gay ppl who have been the most notorious flakes. I wonder if there's a correlation to the two.
     
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    I've had to cut ties specifically because of this... People even have no shame to flake *Multiple times* after confirming they will be there. Especially gay dudes.
     
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    Why do you think this is?
     
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    I have two possible theories:
    1. it's just this pervasiveness of self-importance and self-absorption within the gay lifestyle. I've just rarely seen it with my straight friends, but that also might be because the pool of gay dudes from whom to pick "life-long friends" or "ride or die" or even associates(not friends with benefits) is slim. Most of the times dudes get consumed by the lifestyle, the social media follows, the popularity contest, and the virtual lifestyle they build that they start losing themselves to the point where even they believe that their time should take precedence over someone else is.

    2. It is also possible that flakiness might be a symptom of something else going on in their lives, not a cause. I remember when I lost a parent last year and went into a mini-depression. I started showing up late at work consistently (which I usually never do) even after a few weeks of bereavement . Of course this is an extreme example, but there is no denying that depression is prevalent in young black gay men. Tardiness and loss of interest into activities otherwise enjoyable are two main symptoms of depression, according to mayo clinic.
     
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