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  1. OckyDub

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    Folk mad at DL Hughley for saying this. They attacking everything about him but not saying anything about the statement it self.
     
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    He's telling the truth though.
     
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    Is this referring to child support? Because I may disagree with DL on this one. Idk.
     
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    :thinking: Humm... this is something to think about.

    I dont think its the same as abortion though. Don't think the Govt wants to force men to be Fathers.

    Child support more about the Govt wanting to get reimbursement for having to spend out govt assistance n cash support for the kid. So the Govts like if i got to pay wic, medicare, daycare, n give out all this cash for this kid, A Dude (Father or not) need to run me the money I paid out back.

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    I mean if a dude doesn't want to be a father he could always just give up his paternity rights.
    :yeshrug:
     
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    To my understanding this can only be done with the mothers consent.

    Point is if a mother can't afford children, she gets gov assistance. If a father can't afford children he's fined or goes to jail.

    Fathers are punished, mothers are assisted.
     
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    Mother's are assisted because they have custody of the child. If the father had custody, he would be eligible for assistance as well. Bottom line is two people made the baby and the baby deserves to be taken care of so I have no sympathy for a man or woman who screams poverty as a reason to not support the child they created.
     
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    That goes without saying but that's not the issue nor topic of DL's post. The topic is equality / choice.
     
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    No, the topic is about forcing men to take care of a child that's already here. If a man could carry a child, I'm sure the percentage of people supporting abortion rights would jump by at least 50%. There is no issue with equality here because men can't have babies.

    Now if you're suggesting that the government should be able to force a woman to abort a child if the man doesn't want it, then you still have a problem because it's the woman's body. Either way, I disagree with DL always looking for drama Hughley.
     
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    Yeah....no. Either you're for equality or not.
    • If a woman decides to have child that she can't afford and the father does not want to be a father, she will get public assistance and the gov will hold the father responsible. The gov is interfering with his choice.
    • If a woman has a child and she doesn't want it, she can literally give it up and the gov will not hold her responsible because the child is not the gov's responsibility. The gov is not interfering with her choice.
    If women have a right to choose (as they should) men should also. That's equality. For me its literally that simple. You can disagree but you have to admit you're not pro-choice for men.
     
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    Since when has the government FORCED a man to be a father? Technically, a woman can't be forced to be a mother because, as you just wrote, she can give the child up for adoption. We aren't ever going to be equal because men can not carry children so there will always be differences. If the man didn't want to be a father, he should've considered condoms.

    Again, I know a handful of men who have custody of their children because the mother was incapable of raising them or didn't want to. Those women don't want to be mothers but they have to pay child support too so in my mind, it is equal. Ain't nobody forced me to be a father yet. You know why? Because i'm not going up in random snatch with no rubber on.
     
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    Did I say "forced to be a father" or "force the father to take responsibility"? These are not the same thing...so you're stating something I clearly didn't say.

    "If the man didn't want to be a father, he should've considered condoms" Right, just as a woman should use birth control in addition to:

    • Not letting a dude who doesn't want to be in a possible child's life from dumping his load in her.
    • Not letting a dude drop his load when you already know he aint shit with other kids he already doesn't take care of.
    Or she may welcome the opportunity because she knows she can depend on Daddy Gov-ment to take care of her brood.

    Nonetheless, glad to see you did acknowledge the lack of equality though.
     
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    This issue is never gonna revolve around equality because men cant carry children. The woman is the one who carries the child and the investment is much greater. Let's me honest as men. I know because I am one. I know my brethren. If men could legally and easily refuse responsibility of the children they make, it would be a sh*t show out here. Alot of men would be nuttin up in women with no worries at all. There's no investment in it for us. It only takes a few minutes for us to do our part to make a baby. Once we absolve men of responsibility I know some dudes are gonna wild out just for the fun of it and get 10 women pregnant at once. Child support even scares my gay ass to death as a deterrent if I ever did fall in some pussy. There are women out here so lonely and desperate and will fall for any man that gives them attention. They wouldn't know they were baby mama #86. Lol. Naw. I think reasonable child support is a good deterrent. Its Forced responsibily, not forced fatherhood. And it's good for my future taxes, because I dont wanna take care of yall damn kids.
     
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    DL is trying to redefine the terms of pro-choice in ways that blur its intended meaning, and this is wrong. the aim was to give women primary voice over their own sexual health, but now it's being stretched to include men.

    here's an example as to why appropriating language can be dangerous: many whites co-opt "diversity" to claim that hbcu's should not exist. they say it's segregation and we need to treat everyone equally, neglecting why blk schools were created in the first place and why the need persists today.

    this absurd claim is made, in part, by defining equality in abstract terms--aka everyone gets the same treatment--which then equates helping blks to punishing whites. but the aim of diversity--to make sure POC are represented--gets blurred if expanded it to include white ppl. despite cries of the 'war on whites' or even individual cases of poor whites, diversity was not intended to help white ppl.

    the same co-opting is happening here with pro-choice rhetoric. women have not made decisions about male reproductive rights, but men have historically done it for women. so there is no need for pro-choice for men. there's a reason why there's birth control pills, patches, rings, and hormonal shots--all for women with all these side effects--while there's little to nothing on the male side. (ironically, they cite too many side effects as the reason for not proceeding on male birth control). the burden of pregnancy and child rearing falls largely on women, including the primary role in caretaking, even when both partners work, and the impact on careers. women deserve final say.

    obviously equality is a good thing but equality in abstract terms ("everyone gets the same treatment") can actually promote more inequality when it is colorblind or non-responsive to existing power dynamics btwn groups.
     
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    Men don't get a say. We can 'shoot up the club', and then disappear. As a kid who grew up w a single mom, and learned that my mom got a fat check once my dad got his life together n had uncle sam in his wallet, I'm 10000% ok w men not having a say when it comes to the bottom line!

    This shit isn't remotely subjective!
     
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    Has there been a thread about the fact that all of these abortion laws are rly based out of white ppl being scared of becoming the minority?
     
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    Yikes. This a false dichotomy or indeed a feeble analogy. I think DL problem should be with the system of state-enforced child support, which does work both ways despite popular belief, there are plenty of women on that child support toll too...

    However, you don't see in any case the government through laws actively working to control the bodies of men in any way.

    Child support laws are a function of state governments, not the federal government, and that should be the fight not against women's access to safe abortion and medical care.
     
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    Yes, because we, men, run the world. As str8 white men, u REALLY get to be unapologetically loose, as we all know. But the reality is that str8 men will never be held accountable, and it's kinda ridiculous to expect as much.
     
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    I may have shared this b4, (go figure), but my mom told me the story of how she took a bus trip w my aunt to come get an abortion when she found out she was pregs w me. I was the unexpected/random baby, and after 2, she didn't think she could handle another. But, she got to NYC, where it was still legal at the point of her finding out I was in the oven, and couldn't do it.

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    Good things Gay Men don't have to put up with this. Except those silly ones that wish men could get pregnant.
     
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    There are countless non-heterosexual men with children. There are multiple non-heterosexual men at my job right now who have hella kids. What you talkin bout?

    Gay men are still men and many have children from when they were younger. I got my girlfriend pregnant when I was 15 yrs old. My partner has a daughter and has dealt with baby mamma drama.

    Not everyone came out of the womb 'living in their truth'.
     
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    THIS!

    You worded this way better than I would’ve been able to.
     
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    I'm talking about men having abortions. I myself never paid attention to women or fell into the pressure of having sex with them.. (men either.)

    Although your statement makes me wonder about some things.
     
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    Thanx to her, yall have to deal w me and my 'nappy headed ho' avatars. $20 for any1 under 30 who knows that reference w/o googling.
     
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    Women should be more proactive in making sure they don't get pregnant. Hell this real house Ives chick caught a baby by this dude be he had money now she's taken her engagement ring off. If these chicks didn't let a guy nutt in them raw it wouldn't be an issue. Like you can't do that then be surprised you're pregnant. No shit Sherlock.

    Then when it comes to be that the dude ain't shit some of these girls who ain't shit themselves do all they can to keep the bd out of the kid's life including the bds family. These kids don't even know who half their family is.

    I'm all for women having the choice to have an abortion with enough time for them to consider the pros and cons and make a decision that's best for them. There's nothing wrong with the 3 months period that been the norm all of this time.

    I don't see any point in forcing a baby on to someone who doesn't even want it all because they had sex one time. The taxpayers don't even want to pay for services to help mothers who can't afford the babies either and black women die in childbirth way more often than white women so who really benefits here?

    All we're doing is wearing money and time on this when it's likely to be determined unconstitutional anyway when we could be using that time and money in better ways.
     
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