What is Queer?

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    Months ago when I saw a 2 part VICE series featuring members of the LGBTQIA community comprised of pro / anti Trump supporters, I knew my review of the Q&A discussion would’ve been to mentally exhausting and time consuming and the review never manifested. That’s why it was cool to see one of my favorite vloggers -Abe & Preach- speak on a couple of the perplexities that arose throughout the LGBTQIA panel discussion. Specifically how the community identifies. Parts of Abe & Preach’s commentary still kinda treats the LGBTQ community as a monolith even though a panelist clearly states his displeasure for the growing number of alphabets.

    Their commentary includes clips from other shows as well but it all stems from the first clip when the Milo Yiannopoulos type guy in the MAGA hat asked the the panelist “what is queer?” The verbal and mental gymnastics the person answering the question goes through is crazy. While I basically understood their reply, my thought at the time was “I could’ve defined queer better” and more concise than they could have, while still explaining why I personally don’t use or apply the term. The person could’ve said “queer is a popularized umbrella term used by those who aren’t straight”.

    I would’ve added, “‘Queer’ in itself fails as representation because it doesn’t capture the entirety. Yes it can be inclusive for many but it can also be exclusive and alienating for others. Which is why I rejected it and decided ‘non-heterosexual’-while not perfect- is more understandable or digestible because it’s all inclusive of everyone who is not straight or heterosexual. Or how about simply ‘not straight’? Regardless of what letter you pick, LGBTQIA all falls under ‘not straight’.”

    Yes it should be universally acceptable that an individual be able to self-identify what ever way they want…which includes correcting those who blanketly or wrongly assign the term ‘queer’.

     
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    I'm sorry but I am trapped in my past. I hear trans and cis and I travel back to high school Latin class and the first time I heard the terms, as in Cisalpine Gaul and Transalpine Gaul. I get those terms. I can even point to them on a map! Other than that, I hear cis and trans and MEGO, which is not the same as MAGA.
     
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    I'm not fixing to call people all that. You either straight, gay or bi, or abstinent and aside from that are identified as human.

    You either like peen, rabbit hole or both.

    It's much simpler and less confusing if everyone would hush, accept they are just human and like certain things at least for me.

    I don't have to time to keep up with all that.
     
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    The entire premise of the video is not actually rooted in good faith arguments.or debate. The point of this video posted is mockery.
     
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    That guy in your avatar is yummingly cute.
     
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    While I don't fully disagree with your comment, I do agree with many of their observations though.
     
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    That guy is Frank Ocean! LOL.
     
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    Yes, I do think some of the discourse around LGBTQIA+ community is absurd and extreme but for the run of the mill mainstream discourse, it's not that hard to understand with common sense. Call people what they want to be called, use pronouns <---to be honest, I suspect most people wouldn't know what a pronoun is until the Trans community made them popular.

    Sexuality is complex and fluid. Gender is not a binary. Most of this shit is socially constructed.

    The people who have a problem with it seek out problems. I highly doubt the gents in the video regularly engage with or have social circles that include the LGBTQIA community. Yet, here they are talking about it as if they are being lectured by transwomen on the daily. They produce the content they produce because it gets views. They do it for shock value sake. Clicks, Likes, not because they are somehow being silenced by the LGBTQIA+ mafia. If said mafia existed these guys wouldn't be on their radar.
     
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    Yeah I agree with @BlackguyExecutive, the video posted should have just been the original debate, not these two condescending jerks ridiculing the community and generalizing everyone as being confused in how we want to be labeled (which is clearly subtext for them saying we're all basically sexually confused).

    How is this video any different than when White people clowned Blacks constantly changing their descriptors back in the 80s-90s (including embracing the vile N-Word as a "term of endearment" that only we can use)?

    It's simple. It's just respect. If an individual says "I'm Queer," just respect that and call them Queer. If someone else says call me Trans, call them that. If another says call them cisgendered, or pansexual or demisexual....what's the big deal? If you are unsure, ask the person. It's that simple. Literally no one would take offense to someone straight respectfully wanting to "get it right" and call the person the right term by which they identify.

    We as a human species have tons of descriptions/labels for different races, religions, nationalities, heritages...we even have endless labels for people who come from different states, cities, and individual neighborhoods. Complicated and complex labeling is nothing new. Why does every individual in the non-straight community need one universal term to make these two nobodies happy?
     
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