Kevin Hart Discovered To Be Homophobic Five Years After We Tried To Tell You (Receipts Attached)

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    I’m not a big Kevin Hart fan. Not for awhile. I used to be, though. I’ve never met the guy but I used to be genuinely proud of him and his success. But then my admiration for him turned off like a light switch five years ago. Whatever. Many people still are, especially Black people.

    So it’s not surprising that many of them immediately went to Hart’s defense once the so-called “Gay Mafia” started digging up his old homophobic tweets after it was announced that he would host the 2019 Academy Awards.

    What is surprising is the hypocrisy in it.

    If in an alternate universe, Kevin Hart were “Paul Blart: Mall Cop” comedian Kevin James and people found dozens of racists tweets from 2009-2013, I highly doubt these same Black people would be as defensive for someone “evolving” so slowly and viciously.

    For those not aware of the kinds of things Hart tweeted in the past, here are some “comedy gems” from him:

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    His history of homophobic rhetoric on Twitter is so extensive that a journalist made a gif of the search that scrolls as long a dropped roll of toilet paper.



    For all of you that are regular readers of the site, you may remember that in 2013, five years ago, I wrote an extensive essay on how homophobic many Black comedians were in general entitled, The Brunt of the Joke: Black Comedy & Homophobia. Here's an excerpt:

    Black comedians, on the other hand, HATE gay people. They seem to despise them. True there are exceptions like The Wayans, Dave Chappelle and a few others. But for the most part, when you see “gay” depicted in black comedy it's seen as something disgusting, abnormal, hidden and kept on the “down low”. From Eddie Murphy to Martin Lawrence to The Kings of Comedy… Homosexuality is not made fun of like white comedians where it's seen as a “wink-wink” kind of thing. It's depicted as gross, disgusting and “Ewww, nigga you gay, get away from me.”

    Take one of my favorite comedians, Kevin Hart. Watching his stand up comedy film, Let Me Explain, with a male date we initially laughed when Hart went into the “gay” section of his act. Very quickly it devolved into borderline abuse and homophobia.

    Kevin Hart started the jokes with the statement, “One of my biggest fears is my son growing up and being gay.” Whoa. Okay, I initially thought he was going to go into a bit about his fearing the pressures his son would have to face from society for his sexuality. But that was all wishful thinking.

    Nope, Kevin feared his son becoming a flaming faggot. Oh, he tried to cover himself by saying, “I’m not homophobic” but they all do that. That’s like when a racist says, “I’m not a racist” right before he tells a “black-man-is-a-spear-chucker” joke. Saying, “I’m not a rapist” right before you forcefully violate a woman doesn’t make it so.



    That was five years ago. And that essay didn’t even include the homophobic tweets, which are arguably worse than that stand-up comedy joke.

    When asked about repeating the above homophobic joke and others in a 2015 Rolling Stone interview, Hart said:

    “It’s about my fear. I’m thinking about what I did as a dad, did I do something wrong, and if I did, what was it? Not that I’m not gonna love my son or think about him any differently,” he said. “I wouldn’t tell that joke today, because when I said it, the times weren’t as sensitive as they are now. I think we love to make big deals out of things that aren’t necessarily big deals, because we can. These things become public spectacles. So why set yourself up for failure?”
    Really? How about saying, “I realized that my words and jokes were hurtful to some of my fans and my job is to make people laugh, not cry or feel bad about themselves.”

    Nope. He blamed the audience for being “sensitive.”

    Admittedly, times have definitely changed. The culture in general is more sensitive to racism, misogyny, homophobia, sexual assault and harassment, etc. But I would argue that isn’t a bad thing. I want to live in a world where bigots can’t hide behind “it’s comedy, relax” as an excuse to offend people who are different.

    Even when the controversy of his old tweets came up, Hart seems to double-down on his dismissiveness about people’s reaction to his words saying, “Stop looking for reasons to be negative. If u want to search my history or my past and anger yourselves with what u find that is fine with me.”



    Then, when the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences supposedly reached out to Hart and asked him to apologize for the old tweets, he defiantly chose to decline to apologize:



    Again, imagine if this were a Caucasian comedian referring to racists jokes and old tweets. Or another celebrity with 66 million Instagram followers referring to derogatory comments about women from 2009-2012. The woke folks on Black Twitter would have already created all kinds of memes and gifs destroying that person’s character.

    Guess how many Black Twitter memes we’ve seen about Kevin Hart being homophobic so far?

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    As I said in the essay from 2013, it’s not about making comedy bland where no groups of people are teased or mocked. I wrote this back then to clarify:

    Gay jokes can be funny. Really funny actually. As stereotypical as it was, the Men on Film sketches from In Living Color were really funny. And white stand up comedians like Louis C. K. and others make Gay jokes an art form.

    The difference between white comedians and black comedians though is the obvious disdain and fear black men have for Gays. Seriously, black male comedians are very hateful to Gays in their comedy. There’s a very fine line walked in whats “just a joke” vs “I really hate these faggot mothafuckas.”

    I recently watched the Comedy Central Roast of actor James Franco. It featured the likes of Seth Rogan, Jonah Hill, Andy Samberg (Saturday Night Live) and Bill Hader (Saturday Night Live) mocking James Franco for the ever flowing rumors of his sexuality. There were tons of Gay jokes. The difference here is that the gay jokes were vulgar yet not insulting in some weird way. Many of the white comedians seemed to low-key compliment Franco for being able to pull off Bisexuality with his stunning good looks. But the sheer number of Gay jokes became so overwhelming that Indian-American comedian Aziz Ansari had to comment:



    Even still, the jokes weren’t super offensive. Many of the comedians mocked Franco’s rumored sexuality by insinuating that they themselves had been penetrated by and/or had performed oral sex on the delicious looking actor. Caucasian humor…you gotta love it. Very self deprecating and ironic.

    Again, I can take a joke. Especially a gay joke that I can relate to…I’ve seen MANY straight white comedians make gay jokes where they imply they are gay themselves just for the sake comedy. That is totally fine. It’s seen as “white boy humor.” But this is a key point. Another observation I’ve made is the black comedians who primarily interact with white people seem to be less judgmental when it comes to homosexuality.

    Take one of our favorite actor/rappers Donald Glover (aka Childish Gambino). Before he landed his role on the NBC comedy Community, he performed as the sole Black American with the Derrick Comedy sketch comedy crew. Here’s one of their hilariously creative “gay -themed” sketches from 6 years ago spoofing the film “Memento”.



    Dude! Hilarious (especially if you’ve seen the movie that they are spoofing).

    Donald Glover’s character doesn’t purport to love engaging in a gay act, but you still don’t feel the weird disgusted aversion that the aforementioned black comedy actors display even merely pretending to slightly engage in gay intimacy.

    So clearly I’m not accusing ALL black comedians of homophobia. But enough of them are that if I take a male date to a comedy club, It's a good chance that we’ll hear more than a few extremely homophobic gay jokes. Hell, we may even be singled out by the comedian on stage for being two attractive men sitting at a table alone together, sharing a basket of wings and fries.
    Again, this was five fuckin’ years ago. I tried to tell y’all.

    But now, after flat out refusing to apologize…Kevin Hart has apologized for the old tweets and has stepped down from hosting the 2019 Academy Awards. Clearly this is a situation where Disney and ABC (the network which airs the Oscars) forced him out. Remember that ABC (owned by Disney) fired both James Gunn (Guardians of the Galaxy director) and Roseanne Barr for arguably far less offensive tweets. If not less offensive, at the least their tweets were less plentiful. So the writing was on the wall.

    I can guarantee that we’ll STILL see tons of Black people defending Hart as a victim.

    We’ll even see many Black Gay People defending Hart.

    Gay people and their self-defense to bigotry ironically doesn’t matter to Black people. I’m still not even sure if Gay People in general matter to Black People at all.

    This is why we had to publish a 2015 essay entitled, “If I’m Killed by the Police, Will My Black Gay Life Matter?”

    Regardless, when all is said and done, we’re talking about the Oscars. This is an awards show that, just this year, saw the lowest ratings in the history of the telecast. More people went to see Kevin Hart in “Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle” and “Central Intelligence” than the number of people who watched the 2018 Academy Awards.

    So maybe he’s right to double down on gay jokes. He clearly is doing just fine making “straight” movies where Dwayne Johnson is constantly cradling him in his muscular arms.

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    Meanwhile all these other "comics" combing through their accounts to clean the slick and hateful shit up There's Mississippi... Comedian... Who lives in Atlanta now from my hometown. He stays talking about gay people. Negro you in black gay central. Better shut your fat ass up. He was actually featured in Kevin's show.

    Now today I'm sure Facebook is gonna be filled with straight black people boo hooing.
     
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    I'm disappointed. Dude could have easily gave a half ass apology and moved on...but naw...he wants to double down.

    I agree folk are ridiculously over sensitive, whats often missed though in the conversation (not on this site) is the real disdain for MALE homosexuality.
     
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    See, that kind of writing above is what drew me to this site in the first place,@Nick Delmacy

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    That’s why in my status I joked about background checks. How the Oscar folk got blindsided by this is puzzling when you and others were already there with the printouts.
     
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    Looking at the reactions across social media this morning is not surprising.

    Like for real, my first reaction to this was like "so what"? Black comedians, are a reflection of the Black community, and homophobic comments are common place. Just like with rappers. My reaction was the same just as it was when Migos made anti-homosexual comments.

    You could say I have a blase attitude towards it or one could say I'm desensitized. Because of this, my dismissiveness leads me in the direction of wanting to defend Kevin Hart.
     
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    But here's the thing. How about never saying anything that you would have to delete in the first place? LOL

    As controversial as this site has been in the past, I would never have to delete anything if I got a big opportunity in Hollywood. Sure I've had biting opinions about shitty web series and feminine gay men, but I'm a gay man.That commentary was always me speaking on my experience and observations as a Black gay man. And I stand by every word.

    But never at any point did I mock or ridicule fem gay men, nor did I use them as a "ewww, so gross" punchline.

    The only thing that MAY be an issue is the infamous "gay voice" from a few podcasts, but that was a character and it wasn't even done in malice. Oh, there was also the one time I said that Drag Queens with all the makeup and big hair gave me the creeps like the clown from "IT." While still true to this day, in the moment I made a point to differentiate them from trans women and men, who I've always defended on the site.
     
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    Even though I'm one of the microscopic few who still thinks that Kevin is funny, I did take a step back when he "joked" about him not wanting his kid to grow up gay. As short as he is I don't think he's at the height to judge how his son should live his life in future.
     
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    From me...50% of my contribution on this site wouldn't exist. I've said some trolling offensive, confrontational shit. Hell, I'm thinking about what to delete before the new site redesign appears.

    Look at how we have grown and evolved in the last 5 yrs when it comes to fem leaning men. Bush who cut AIDs funding years later was a witness (signed the marriage certificate) at a gay wedding. Obama also came around on gay marriage.

    This is your (our) perception. We didn't see many things we said (say) as offensive. Their POV (gay culture) is almost polar opposites to ours. Yes, we received feedback to our podcasts about using the stereotypical "gay" voice. Some felt we were mocking. We have used the word "gross" to describe gay web series, porn stars, gay personalities, etc. I know I have on this site. (I know that is different than the point you were making - just offering a counter).

    Hell, in those first years, a lot of our viewership and interactions was based on backlash to our "controversial" POV. You called yourself the Bill O'Reilly of the site. So we were/are offensive to many. Look at your recent thread about the Black transgender kid. You basically said he (we) need more fathers in the home. Kevin Hart said he didn't want a gay son and later said he would love him regardless. In those two instances, is his joke worse or your sentiments? That thread alone could be used against you.

    While my feelings are the same as yours on a host of topics, I also echo your sentiments in this thread...I'm placing myself in Kevin's position (concerning the backlash) and also in your position.
     
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    I think it's fair to say that people evolved or can, on whatever negative thinking they may had in the past. However I think that part of living in your truth is acknowleding your past, good or bad.

    I think deleting the tweets looked worse than just owning up to it, saying he's progressed, and move forward.
     
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    The main difference is we were/are gay men talking about issues related to gay men. Never in the history of controversial tweets getting someone fired has the controversy come out of speaking about your personal experiences in a particular culture or group. Jews can make jokes about being Jewish, but if a Christian or Muslim makes an Anti-Semitic joke, controversy ensues.
     
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    Most people, who are defending Kevin, are doing so under the guise that he has already apologized profusely for his tweets. The thinking is why should he have to keep apologizing for something he tweeted years ago. Let the main grow and move on. The problem I have with this train of thought is that I don't recall, nor can I find, a heart-felt APOLOGY for the offensive tweets. His apologies are half-hearted and accusatory to people he feels are being overly sensitive.

    On a group chat with some friends of mine, a black and gay friend texted, "You know them white gays are ruthless. They got him booted." Even black gay people are pointing the finger at white gays instead of questioning the sincerity of Kevin's apologies. Sometimes I feel like black gay men have been so abused, we feel we have no choice but to stay with our abusers(black straight people) out of mere survival, much the way an abused woman will continue to stay with and make excuses for her abusive partner. Perhaps black gay men don't want to be viewed as traitors for joining with white people in attacking a successful black man. Personally, I don't find Kevin Hart funny and don't recall every shelling out money to see one of his films so I don't care much about the man as a comedian. I hope that this is a lesson to the black community that not everyone is going to partake in the offensive homophobia displayed by black comedians.
     
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    Me and my dude discussed (heatedly) Kevin Hart and this thread for damn hours this morning.

    I smiled when I saw the above response because its very similar to one of the last points I made to him but with slight differences.

    There are three groups of Black people who:

    A. Offended when a White person says nigger/a/ah.
    B. Not offended when another Black person calls them a nigga.
    C. Are completely offended by the word nigger/a/ah if they hear anyone (white, black, otherwise) use it.

    As it relates to you (us) and your example of "As controversial as this site has been in the past, I would never have to delete anything if I got a big opportunity in Hollywood."

    The people who would publicly call out and condone your old tweets posts and threads to use against you are the gays (Black or white) in group C.

    The Todrick Halls, Don Lemons, Keith Boykins, types that have the power of tweets, blogs and mainstream white websites would absolutely at minimum force an apology from you on your past statements.

    You and I right now at this very moment are viewed as 'self loathing, self hating, anti-fem, homophobic Black gay hoteps' by those in dominate gay (Black) culture. Many of the one's who don't view us this way still have severe reservations because we have the audacity to critique and criticize Black gay art (web-series, films, music, etc.) and have a less than stellar review.

    A small as it may be;

    ...just look at how Waddie G and Lamonte Pierre attacked. Hell even Rob Smith (before he became a gay Trump supporter) purposely omitted us from the "Black Gay Websites You Need to Follow" list on a mainstream gay website (publicity, readers, followers, we didn't get) all because yall had a slight beef on Twitter. Are you forgetting how we got called out in Huffington Post?

    If we became public Black gaylebrities or caught a big break in Hollywood, Son of Baldwin by himself could get us publicly assassinated with his strong social media presence and power (from all those who are apart of the TheRoot, BuzzFeed, crowd). We would be Black gay woke's (and their allies) PUBLIC enemy #1's.

    Even though we're apart of the LGBTQ tree, we're not protected from getting cut down.

    Just look at how white gays vehemently attacked (Black bisexual) Azealia Banks when she called Perez Hilton a faggot but these same folk, defended one of their icons, Madonna, when she said nigger.

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    I hear you but remember I'm speaking for myself and the things I've written on the website. Those people you named only attacked me because of negative reviews, not because I called them fat or ugly or F****ts or anything.

    The only example of a gay person who received backlash for saying something about other gay people was probably actor Russell Tovey (HBO's Looking) who said in an interview, “I feel like I could have been really effeminate, if I hadn’t gone to the school I went to. Where I felt like I had to toughen up. If I’d have been able to relax, prance around, sing in the street, I might be a different person now. I thank my dad for that, for not allowing me to go down that path. Because it’s probably given me the unique quality that people think I have.”

    Mind you, that "unique quality that people think" he had was Masculinity, a feature that EVERY GAY MAN IS ATTRACTED TO, outraged by the comment or not.

    But even then, he didn't lose a single job because of the comments. As a matter of fact, despite the blogger and LGBT gatekeeper outrage, nearly every gay site had the majority of the gay commenters defending him or were indifferent to his comments altogether: Wrong Message: Russell Tovey Thankful He’s Not More Femme Because Dad Didn’t Let Him “Prance Around”

    My point is, if a straight actor said that he was thankful that his dad was tough on him so that he didn't turn into a femme gay, there would have been greater backlash than a gay man saying it.
     
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    I'll preface my remarks by saying I never thought Kevin Hart was funny. He does what most black "comedians" do, play racial stereotypes for cheap laughs. Most black Americans lap that shit up like a cats do warm milk. I'm also not surprised Kevin Hart is homophobic. I'm surprised people are surprised. Most straight black people especially straight black men are homophobic by default. I consider them all to be anti-gay until proven otherwise. I guess I too am desensitized to hatred directly at non-heterosexual people especially from the black community.
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    THIS!!! I had to respond to quite a few ppl on Facebook today when they repeated the #FakeNews that Kevin Hart had already apologized in the past. I replied to them, "Post the link to his original apology please." Their response, "I don't have a link, he said he apologized in his Instagram message."

    NOT THE FUCKING SAME THING!

    That's Trump level #FakeNews. I told them, "If he was a white man that posted racists tweets for YEARS then refused to apologize stating that he had already done so (without any proof of an apology), you would be flipping your shit!"

    But because we're talking about "the gays," they take the man at his word. Mind you, a man who is an admitted liar and cheater in his marriage.
     
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    All of the above, a thousand times.
     
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    Another thought.....Will this affect Kevin's career moving forward? My belief is he would've been 100% fired from hosting duties had he not apologized but he sorta wiggled out by saying he stepped down voluntarily. Roseanne was fired from her own sitcom because of her tweets and I think it will be a long time, if ever, she is given another chance in Hollywood. At least not from major Hollywood players or studios. She wasn't doing much anyway.

    I think it depends on who is Kevin's audience. I'm not sure that the black community is his largest fan base in terms of going to see his movies. Not clear about his stand up audience either. My guess is if his primary audience is black, he will be fine because black people aren't going to ditch him because he "maybe" was joking about gay people years ago. Hell, there are black people who have beat up and even murdered gay people and they get outta jail and still have all the same friends as they did before. As @OckyDub asked before, do black gay lives matter?

    I think white audiences will still go see him if that's his audience as well. This is almost black on black crime as far as they're concerned. It's almost as if Kevin's attacks were exclusively towards black gay people and not whites. At least from the fallout and commentary.

    What y'all think?
     
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    He'll take a temporary hit but because this controversy wasn't one that generated a lot of memes and gifs, it'll fade away. He'll be fine. If anything, for me, I'm done with Hart and his work. I was already exhausted by his over-saturation and lack of actually being funny, but this sealed the deal for me. He won't be benefiting from any of my money going forward.

    Having said that though, Hollywood has a lot of white gay men running it and those were a lot of horrible tweets. Doubling down so hard may have been a bad decision. He may get offered lower quality jobs going forward. Who knows.
     
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    Man we are a package deal in their stance. The question would be to you, if you didn't share my homophobic views on a website that you help create, you shared the same platform and could have spoke out against me. By not, aren't you condoning my homophobia? They will say you're homophobic adjacent.

    But as it relates directly to you, Bruh...your technical FACTS are offensive for those who perceive them to be. Remember the backlash you got from...(diggin in da crates)

    Drag Queen YouTuber Tre Melvin “Bravely” Reveals What Everyone Already Knew

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    While I agree with your point, Tovey is a white gay (protected class) but also look at Joy Reid, a straight Black woman (protected class) who said past homophobic shit but also received no major backlash and got support from the black gay and straight community.

    My imaginative conclusion, if I was writing a script based on this hypothetical Hollywood situation, I personally don't think you would get the same type of treatment.

    Black gays will call your past comments fem hating/shaming, while they attack you on twitter by saying, "he probably a bottom" and deserving of the negative attention. Also the Black community as a whole will have no sympathy because you shouldn't be practicing the white man's sexually perversions.

    Now I'm not saying this will happen when you make it big in Hollywood, because I absolutely think you can make it, but just look at what we already have experienced and folk - at the end of the day - don't even know who we really are.
     
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    Lawd @OckyDub making a case for why @Nick Delmacy will get Mo'Niqued by Hollywood and he ain't letting Nick get away with it. Ocky said they come as a package and Nick gone have to answer for the shit he said too. Naw Nucca. LOL
     
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    No need to be imaginative. I've already stated there is not a single documented case of a gay man losing a job for criticizing other gay man. Remember the issue isn't backlash, every celebrity has to deal with controversy at some point or another. Even Oprah (the beef industry) and Beyonce (sampled the fucking Challenger shuttle disaster for a song).

    But a celeb losing their job for comments about their experience in a certain community (Russel Tovey), I haven't seen it. If you have examples, lemme know.

    And even in the height of our controversial days, we never lost readership. As a matter of fact, we had the most page views and commenters in the history of the site. It wasn't until we toned down the rhetoric that the traffic diminished.

     
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    Often times, the black community (as well as whites, latinos, etc.) are super quick to side with celebrities of the same race accused of some type of wrongdoing even when they are proven guilty.

    Think back to some of the more polarizing incidents involving other black male celebrities such as Michael Vick, Chris Brown, Bill Cosby and O.J. Simpson (civil case). While there were a decent number of black people who broke away from the herd and denounced these celebrities based on credible evidence, the vast majority of us were still "Ride or Die" no matter how obviously guilty the defendants were.

    I tend to think that this comes from the frame of mind that we must stand by our own the same way that a large portion of the white community continue to support Donald Trump despite his many short-comings as a human being.

    Still and all, I truly believe that (IMHO) Kevin Hart has been in the showbiz industry long enough to not harbor any real deep-seated homophobia due to his constant interactions/exposure to many openly gay men in the same industry (actors, make-up artists, production assistants, directors, etc.)

    I agree with Kevin that with age/experience comes maturity, open-mindedness and unbridled growth.
     
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    So by this rationale, there are ZERO racists in the NBA and NFL and ZERO homophobes in the Music Industry. :thinking:
     
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    @RolandG man I've thought about this shit. Im tryna tell my bro @Nick Delmacy them gay folk will be like...

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    See, them technical facts is what gets you in trouble. You aint learned nothing from them Frank Ocean incidents LOL
     
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    At least I'm bringing facts. You're bringing nothing but your opinions backed by zero evidence.

    Again, show me an example where a gay man criticized other gay men or the community and lost their livelihoods because of it. Or, show me examples of other groups that have done this (ie: Jewish man making Jewish jokes and losing a job).
     
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    Negro I just spit out my stewed chicken. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
     
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    You have a point. RuPaul routinely calls people Tranny and he's still producing top shows that are expanding to Europe even. Let a white person or black straight person use the term tranny and see what happens.
     
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    For me, I'm over validating entertainers as if I answer to them. I'm more worried about homophobics and racists who fuck with my career and money daily.

    Unless Kevin Hart (and MANY other straight men and women in the industry for whatever reason) directly affects my everyday, YAWN! At least he "apologized" in some way. And if he fucks up again, that's on him. There will always be homophobic and racist people and things should be called out. I just don't care about the ones that are entertainers, bc Im not vested in him as an entertainer. He is a comedian, straight and there is no surprise he said or typed anything inferred or that is homophobic, even if if was an attempt to "be funny".

    The Nipsey Hussle and Young Miami of City Girls tweet was more of a bigger issue. They made it clear that "This is how I feel...Fuck yall" and not ONE apology.

    I'm waiting for Beyonce and Barack Obama's homophobic tweets! And I will be waiting to see how this situation will be spinned in any future comedy stand up like with stuff that has happened in his personal life.
     
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    While you are correct in it hasn't happened in the context presented, I'm sorry but I thought I we were clearly referring to the hypothetical? Which mean my conclusion would be based on my opinion based on my experience.

    You said "if I were in Hollywood". Clearly you aint in Hollywood so you aint just bringing facts.

    I've seen zero Black gay men who are in the public eye that hold your POV or position when it comes to gay culture. You would be a first at least for me. Based on that, you're absolutely corrected, it hasn't happened yet because that person hasn't materialized as of yet. Hypothetically speaking, that doesn't mean the negative reaction scenario I presented it can't or will not happen. Just like the views you (we) expressed on this site and its previous form were the first presented - at least from my experience. That experience is absolutely shaping my conclusions of what might happen.
     
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    You double down on BS harder than the homophobe.

    Imma start calling you The Kevin Hart Queer: Refusing to admit you are wrong even when faced with evidence.

     
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    LOL.... dude, I clearly said you were RIGHT, I agree and echo your sentiments like 5 times in this thread. I even said you were stating facts. I don't feel I'm wrong about a hypothetical that hasn't happened yet.

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    Bro I'm right there with you I'm just saying, I've seen you get attacked being faceless. Hypothetically, I don't see attacks going away just because now there is a face to Nick Delmacy. I just feel you would be more of a target.

    Truce...
    Every rapper needs a man to pen the gun on. I'll be that dude for you when you become famous and the gay gatekeepers try to attack.
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    Who???


    I mean I've never listened to him or watched hisovies because he does the same kinda racial jokes to get attention....and people defending him? I mean why wouldn't they? Homophobes have to stick together.

    I personally don't care about Kevin or a Hart or him being an unfortunate unfaithful stereotypical creeping husband who needs a ladder to take a piss in the toilet.
     
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    apparently, nick cannon questions whether white comedians who have hosted major awards shows and made equally gross homophobic statements (examples below) have been held to a different standard. i do wonder if his counterpoint is the equivalent of when blk ppl, mostly men, deflect conversations about bill cosby by bringing up how differently problematic white male celebrities are handled. not sure where i land on this, but it is certainly an interesting addition cannon adds to the dialogue.

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    It should be noted that Amy Schumer, Chelsea Handler, and Sarah Silverman have the trifecta of privilege when it comes avoiding accountability. They're white, Jewish, and female. They could say damn near anything and will get little or no backlash they're protected by their whiteness and most people will be terrified of being accused of being sexist or anti-Semitic for calling them out.
     
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