Labor Day is almost upon us which means that black gay men from all over the country will be headed to Atlanta to enjoy the festivities (and debauchery) of the 2014 Atlanta Black Gay Pride.
Well this year we’re in for something different.
Hair stylist and flamboyant gaylebrity Derek J has announced that he’s organizing a public debate on Masculine and Feminine men. Announced through his Instagram page along with a crown and tiara illustration, Derek J put out an open called for participants in the discussion to send in submissions.
From Derek J’s Instagram post:
A discussion that’s been long awaited!!! The debate between the masculine and feminine gay male will now happen!!!!! If you are a professional black gay male that can speak well and deliver a good debate and would like to be part of the panel please send a email with your information to kingsvsqueens14@gmail.com Please send a pic and contact information along with do you consider yourself to be masculine or feminine.
While I doubt this discussion will be fair and balanced for any masculine men that do end up participating, I’m glad that he’s attempting to do something like this. However, part of me suspects this “Kings and Queens” debate will devolve into merely being a discussion of sex and “Tops vs Bottoms.”
As regular readers know, we’ve had many substantive discussions on the issue. We just hosted our own Roundtable Discussion full of gay men discussing the issue of masculinity and femininity in the media.
One of our main complaints over the years has been that feminine gay men seem extremely adverse to acknowledging the reality that masculine and feminine gay men are very different, despite both groups being homosexual.
Discussions like this are needed for growth, understanding and representation.
So if you’ll be in Atlanta next weekend and you’re interested in participating, send your submission to Derek J and his team before Labor Day weekend.
I wonder if this website is going to be mentioned in some way,or if it had any part in the conception of the event.
The cynical part of me wants to say the answer is No to both questions… The Masc/Fem debate started long before Cypher Ave existed. Discreet City, on the other hand, that may pass the lips of one of the participants in a negative way, I’m sure. LOL.
oh yeah lol BUT I could still see this site,or at least you and Ocky, getting mentioned since you guys touch on the topic regularly.
And of course they’ll work in “They won’t even show their faces” if they do.
That’s one of the reasons I think its unlikely the site will get mentioned. That and the fact that we don’t really talk about explicit sex and dating much. We’re boring. This panel will likely focus on the more attention grabbing parts of the debate. I can’t fault them for that given that its a debate being held during a gay pride in Atlanta. They gotta entertain the gurls.
Lol you’re Meme game is just down pat @nick! I don’t know where you find all the memes and gifs from!!!!
thats all i got.
I make that same face when I see him.
Is you gonna participate or nah
This is going to be a mess. Atlanta is full of feminine men so I’m guessing whatever masculine men that’ll be there will be ganged up on. And then of course ass will be thrown at them afterwards by the people that just attacked them.
This.
I was just picturing this as a way to get riled up, build up some tension, give come hither glances and then making a path to the men’s room for…debauchery.
If the moderators are not independent parties who have no dogs in the race (straight women and/or straight men) I don’t see how this would not be one sided.
Yeah I seriously feel it’s not going to be a fair fight either, if the fight is an appropriate fight, meaning they don’t mention sex at all. But for some reason, I feel they will somehow get to the topic of sex when that’s not what being gay is all about. Sex should not be an image of our culture.
Masculine versus feminine debate? About what exactly?
A debate on the death penalty for example will showcase points for and against the topic.
What exactly is the post of this debate? That people shouldn’t be masculine? That people shouldn’t be feminine?
I’m not really sure where this is going. But we shall see.
I agree, there’s no obvious goal of the discussion. I really want to remain optimistic about the depth of the panel, but my hopes are not very high. Maybe it will turn out well, I’d love to see some interesting discussion come out of it, but I don’t think that’s how it’ll end up going….
Hmmmm I’m almost tempted to participate in pride festivities this year just so I can go to this debate, but who am I kidding lol. I’m in agreement with everyone else it’s gonna be a blood bath for the feminine men I’m sure.
I noticed he said please send a pic. Why would they need for potential participants to send a pic unless they’re going to pick through them to try and determine who “looks” masculine and fem? And Kings vs. Queens? See that’s the shit I’m talking about. First, there are no queens if we’re talking about MEN and why does it have to be a “vs” instead of a dialogue? I might be wrong, but considering who’s moderating this panel, me thinks this will be nothing more than a bunch of finger snapping, neck rolling, READING and I wouldn’t want any part of it.
I completely with you… I’m sure this picture is so he can lure people in with the stereotypical image of what a masculine man is. It was a dooms day project from the beginning.
Exactly! Why y’all need to see my pic?!?!
After the podcast, they might wanna see if you look as sexy as you sound? LMAO.
Nah really? I don’t know if they want to see if you’re masculine looking or not but I think they definitely want everyone involved to be attractive at the very least. They don’t want a 400lb buy up there discussing this. IMO
My thoughts exactly, my dude.
I’ll wait for the youtube clip… These debates are always one sided!
Lol that’s what I’m saying. Hope YouTube videos come out from the debate. I just emailed them to see if YouTube videos will come out. Maybe Jacob Kohinoor will get footage from the event. I just see it being very messy.
The thing is, this kind of panel has the potential to be so interesting! They could discuss how gender roles manifest in the black gbt community, how we define ourselves vs. each other, feminine stigma, the fetishization of masculine men of color…..all of these are really fascinating topics. But unfortunately, I agree with your prediction in the last part of the article; I suspect it will quickly devolve into being all about sex and superficial top/bottom stereotypes.
I really hope they go the aforementioned route.
Otherwise I don’t see a point. The sensationalistic kings versus queens title is already saying a lot.
With “Versus” in the title, it’s already coming off as confrontational as it is. And I guess they ‘in betweens’ will just get lopped into the fem side.
“Discussing Black Gay Men and Feminine and Masculine Differences and Similarities” is a better title but it also is too long and boring sounding and won’t bring people through the door.
Not for nothin’, but I get the feeling the “In-Betweeners” may end up being the majority of the masculine representation in this “debate”. All jokes aside, but are there really that many masculine dudes in Atlanta? At least, masculine dudes that would waste their time participating in this Shit Show? I’ve been to ATL and from what I saw, there was 10 effeminate guys for every 1 masculine guy. Also, from what I see, they’re billing this shit like a category in a Ball….”2014 Gay Pride Huneyyyy…The Kingssss….versus The Queens Huneyy….PUMP the BEAT” smfh
LOL!
I don’t know. I’m starting to think most of the ‘masculine’ gay men here are really just ‘DL’ dudes.
But seriously, I think it just goes to who’s blatantly out and proud representing and who is not. I mean, at the gym I go to, I’ve seen some masculine sounding, muscle having, guys who, if they are not gay, they are definitely comfortable with their sexuality because they are surely trying to go out of their way to let everybody know they are freeballing in basketball shorts with them pulled up the crack of their asses. Or pants are super tight around the junk and ass but they are wearing a skin tight square cut wife beater with a neckline plunging so deep, Kim Kardashian would be jealous but it’s also short to display the underwear framed by the shirt and tight pants mentioned earlier.
But hey, I’m going to look if they are willing to put on a free show.
Jaajajajaja Yeah, I’m good for the freeballin in mesh shorts (don’t judge me. I’m a show off LOL). Only downside is too many chicks down my f#$kin throat, so I tend to go early AM.
I fully support the freeballing movement. 😉
Freeballers unite!
LOL! I sometimes feel like aside from all the Mid-Western white boys movin’ to NYC, I’m the only dude in my gym that does it. As ho’ish as dudes (claim) to be in my hood, they’re prudish when it comes to they junk LMAO
This is gonna be an excuse to rile up the public and entertain, plain and simple. If anything productive came of this, there’s a good chance I’d die of shock. But we’ll see what happens I guess. Almost sad I had to cancel my ATL trip now lol
I think and agree with everyone on this post that feels the potential of this debate could be great for masculine men. What I don’t agree with is how there is a lot people saying how it’s going to be one sided, a mess, etc but won’t be there to represent the masculine argument. We talk about having a voice in the community but when there is opportunity, all I see is excuses. I would be there myself if not for school & work. I challenge all of the Atlanta masculine men to go and represent and be a voice for the change we want to see.
Well, some people have better things to do like go to DragonCon. 😀
I would take the debate seriously if it was say, “Derick J. and Brendon Ayanbadejo [just using him as an example, guys] present Kings vs Queens: A Debate on Feminine and Masculine Men of Color” then to me, it would seem like a partnership debate.
Take this analogy: It’s like the Pepsi Challenge. Of course Pepsi is only going to show when Pepsi won. But if it was the Pepsi Versus Coke Challenge, I could take it seriously.
I know you used Brendon as an example but he cannot represent masculine gay men because he’s not or atleast admitted to being gay. Basically you don’t want to go because it’s hosted by a fem dude?
In a comment below, I mentioned if there was another party or a neutral party who also was listed on the billing, I’d be OK with the ‘debate’. I only used him as an example, which I disclaimed above.
I feel my Pepsi analogy explained why I feel it’s one-sided. I’m not interested in attending. I’d watch it on YouTube but I still wouldn’t attend even if Keith Boykin was a panelists because I’m just not interested in actually being there at all.
I think the reason most masculine dudes don’t want to have anything to do with this potential fiasco is because many of us, from past experiences, know exactly how this is going to turn out. I applaud you and everyone else that has high hopes and believes this is going to turn out to be a healthy, non-bias, informative, productive debate, and it could very well end up as such however, most of us know how this shit works.
Majority of effeminate dudes, especially in The ATL, have a flair for drama and being extra when in large groups of their peers and I surmise (like many others on here) that 20mins into it, it will turn into a top/bottom discussion/accusation “Miss Thiiiing…She a bottom, Huney. Derek had huh already Huney!!”, another 10min will bring on the masculine fronting/accusations…”She a ol’ butch queen ANYways, Huney! She be voguin’ Huney!”. Since that is always a lively conversation with effeminate dudes, that should eat up about 40mins, then everything should round up cleanly with why “The Queens” are so much stronger and more recognized/ “respected” and why they are more fabulous than everyone else around them. Close it out with the announcement of the next “Legends Ball” or “Scandalous Ball” or “Night of Ovahness & Fieaceness Ball” and there you have your debate. If it turns out to be the contrary, I’ll eat my hat.
Your right, I have never been to a gay topics debate but I find it hard to believe that there isn’t a educated fem dude that can hold a regular conversation without the extra stuff you mention. Then again like you said I could just have high hopes for the progression of the black gay community. One thing I do know is the stereotyping, rather true or not, and lack of willing to participate because of such attitudes isn’t helping us. Maybe Cypher Avenue or other masculine targeted groups should host some events at pride.
I’m sure there may be a few, but their numbers most likely will pale in comparison to the “stereotypical” effeminate men that may take part in this. I hate to sound like a dick, but I have NEVER seen a large group of effeminate dudes be able to discuss anything productive without it eventually devolving into a catty discussion about who’s DL, who’s a bottom, and who’s faking being masculine. Anything is possible, and a PRAY I’m proven the fool in this, but overtime I’ve just lost hope for the contrary.
I think in this case the creator of the event is dictating the tone and perception of the event. If the namesake were someone like Keith Boykin or Jonathan Capehart, fewer guys would have the same prejudices about the event.
My response to that is would those people hold a debate like “Fem vs Masc” at a Atl pride ? My mindset is the fact that fem dudes are winning as far as representation. Masculine dudes seem to always be the few and using this post as example once again we are projected to lose. Are we (masc dude) and straight men alike when it comes to facing fem dudes; have a strong opinion but not willing to deal with the issues or ignorance from both parties ?
I get what you’re saying but I’d add some perspective being a person kinda on the front lines for a few years now. When we attempt to respectfully enter feminine spaces for serious discourse we (10 times out of 10) received either antagonistic “reads” and feminist speeches or the discussions just turned into attacks and accusations of being internally homophobic, etc.
Someone below this comment suggested that if the space/moderators were more neutral, this would actually be a good idea. I agree with that.
Yea I think having a neutral space or moderator would be the best situation too.
Any good debate will have posted rules and a neutral moderator, it appears this debate does not. I don’t think we can pretend that anything legitimate is going to come from this since it was launched via Instagram. Debates are adversarial but the “versus” phrases is most definitely confrontational. The points of debate and debating is to provide a convincing argument in which people naturally gravitate to your position. This seems like pure entertainment. I am not holding my breath for any profound.
Ever consider the fact that gay men are rejected from masculine circles is why so many are feminine? For the most part, women are the most accepting of gay men (even when they’re not necessarily fem). As time passes, these men begin to take on their characteristics of who accepts them. Masculinity is a rigid construct as opposed to femininity.
No offense, my dude..but this rationalization makes no sense. How do you explain young kids, like YOUNG kids, with naturally effeminate behavior/ mannerisms (that did not spend all their time with their mothers) that do actually end up identifying as gay later in life? I know a few guys that fit this criteria.
It’s weird. I think for the very most part people are just naturally fem regardless of environment…HOWEVER, I have a friend who was raised ina house by his granny, his mom, and his sister. He’s straight(to my knowledge) but he is a LADY lol.
This.
I mean, I could tell the ‘soft’ boys in elementary school. It’s just something some males will just be. Granted, I can see girls in school being more accepting of these soft girls and maybe these guys will take on more girly qualities but then, even as a kid, you are into what you are into.
I liked GI Joe, Transformers, MASK, He Man, and Jem (don’t hate. Jem was on point. She had a super computer and better cellular coverage than anyone on the planet. Plus the show shared some of the GI Joe writers).
So I can/did the soft guys playing house with the girls on the play ground. They may have wanted to fit in with us, but they just didn’t. My elementary school didn’t help matters. There was two of everything in two different sizes so of course the boys claimed the larger merry go round, monkey bars, and swings. And we would raid the ‘girl’s’ equipment in sieges.
We were horrible. lol
Anyway, the social divide gets even further in middle and jr high because once the girls start liking boys and form cliques, the soft guys usually ended up hanging around the unpopular/ugly girls and getting further ostracized.
Then again, I grew up in the early 80s so I imagine it’s similar but also better for these younger gay boys because people are so much more accepting now and from what I hear, these new gay high schools students are a statutory rape situation just waiting to happen.
Anyway, you just can’t drop ship a more fem boy who is naturally fem and not just in that “I thought this is what I was supposed to do” mentality and expect him to man up. He’s going to be what he’s going to be and external forces can’t change that.
Dude!! You just brought me back to elementary school!! LOL Do you remember “Centurions” and “Hulk Hogan & Friends”? still remember the whole line up of Sat morning cartoons, from 7am to 12pm LMAO
Anyways, kinda see yours and Hannibal’s points, but from a personal perspective, grew up around literally ALL women, my mom, my grandmothers, aunts, and female cousins and picked up no effeminate tendencies. Only reason I got teased in school was because I was shy, quiet, and my voice was mad “Michael Jackson-ish”. Unfortunately, during the 80’s and 90’s, those qualities were enough to spark “gay” comments. Even after a short stint in the ballroom scene, I retained no effeminate traits (mainly because I never took any of that shit serious). So I’m not a big believer in environmental influence.
Yes! I wasn’t even into wrestling but I watched Hulk Hogan!lol
I was ALL into wrestling back then, bro. LOL! When I thought it was real LOL
I think it’s not unbelievable that a lil boy can grow up influenced by being around so many females, but grow up to not carry those signs. Ppl sometimes evolve w their environments.
Hello I would first like to thank Cypher Avenue for posting the info about my event this saturday it is greatly appreciated. I also took the time out to read throw the comments and all the concerns of this being a fair debate has been taken into consideration. I will admit it will be a mixture of fun and serious questions in the debate but the main purpose for the debate it so start conversation. I see there is a lot of doubt about the intent of the conversation, and I would let you know that this will be a open forum of discussion involving the audience. With that being said i invite you all to come and sit in on the discussion and lend your input since you feel that you won’t be represented well. The event will be held at The Bqe Restaurant and Lounge 262 Edgewood Ave Atlanta, Ga. Hope you men can make it.
when will the recording be made available on the internet?
What is there to debate? The fem kids are visibly gay (some by choice, most not) they usually cannot hide their sexuality, so they’ve become the face of the community by default. Unless there’s an equal amount of masculine gay men who are willing to be just as open, transparent, and honest about their sexuality, things won’t change.
Also, what exactly will having more visible masculine gay men change? What is the push for equal representation hoping to accomplish? Will society be more accepting if they saw more masculine gays? I’d rather discuss how we can all work together and get past personal preferences & and perceptions of eachother and learn to love ourselves as we are. A “debate” just sounds like code for a battle to see who’s better. We don’t need that, we need to learn how to co-exist peacefully & respectfully. If this debate is aiming to spark that type of discussion, then I’m all for it.
“I’d rather discuss how we can all work together and get past personal preferences & and perceptions of eachother and learn to love ourselves as we are…”
I know this response is madd late, my dude, but as far as THIS goes, imo it’ll NEVER happen. (Majority of) Gay Dudes are hardwired to be unnecessarily judgmental of any and everything, ESPECIALLY gay black and latino males. Whether or not this is a byproduct of environment and conditions relevant to our upbringing I have no clue, but the whole “can’t we just get along” thing will NEVER occur with “us”, masc or fem. Hell, half of the damn Fem dudes don’t even like each other. Everything is a competition of who’s fiercer, who can “snatch the most ovah boy”, and everyone’s (insultingly) a bottom, yet the majority of fem dudes are bottoms, so go figure.
As much as I want to believe that this will be a productive conversation, I know that it won’t. Nonetheless I’m still glad that they are having the conversation at least because this is a topic that definitely needs to be addressed in the gay community. I get the feeling that there won’t be that many masculine men who participate and/or the ones who say they are masculine aren’t truly masculine so it won’t be a balanced debate. I’ll still check out the video though, hopefully it will be better than what I’m thinking.
Some of these comments are ridiculous. People complain about the lack of representation and having more perspectives but when given the opportunity to make a difference they find excuses and being plain ol negative. You just may be surprise that it may be that one person who can be the voice of reason and add the right balance. I find it funny that so many people are setting up this event to fail and if it does they will be saying ” see i told you”. So you dont want to particpate but yout eager to watch the youtube clips…. Are you kidding me. I hope that this event has a social media component so people can share their point of views. We in here can mobilise yourself and use our numbers to help influence how the discussion goes at this event.
What I find hilarious is (especially on this site)…this notion that masculinity is being attacked…no, it is being critiqued, just like femininity has been throughout history. Femininity historically and even to this day is regarded as weak and inferior. What do almost all countries pride themselves on? Their military and sports teams…pillars of masculinity. Most masculine men regard being assholes as normal, then say people are “whining” when they fire back at the BS. There does need to be more of a broader rep of gay black men…but femininity has been so devalued in this society that even black women are becoming more masculine (women from the 90s looked like dykes).
Unless you have been on the receiving end of it…speak for yourself.
I am speaking from extensive experience as a student of history and sociology…and from personal extensive personally experience. Masculinity is not being attacked…it is still highly valued in this society, i.e. military and sports (almost all countries pride themselves on).
Masculinity in all it’s aspects is revered in the Hetero Community, among Gay Man it is only valued when it comes to relationships (to have a masculine man on one’s arm) and in the bed (i.e. getting one’s back broken by “masc trade”), aside from those two scenarios I don’t see gay men screaming their praises of gay male masculinity to the hills, bro.
And I agree…masculinity is devalued in the gay community…particular the black one because most gay black men are only accepted by women and begin to take on the characteristics of them. But Ocky has talked about masculinity on a broad scale, not just the gay community. He says it’s being attacked and that isn’t true it is being critiqued. While feminine men can overbearing, bitchy annoying, dramatic…masculine men can be brash cruel assholes and then still want someone to empathize and show them any compassion. In societal’s standards of what is masculine, it is very rigid…even in the gay community. Femininity is more accepting. Those who don’t meet up to masculine standards are mocked and put down. THAT is why masculinity comes under scrutiny often.
I don’t recall Ock speaking of masculinity outside of the Gay Community in anything more than reference, but I could have missed a few posts/ comments. But anyways…when you say femininity is more accepting, are you speaking about Gay Feminine Men as a whole, or feminine as in Effeminate Gay Men and Women? Because, and I hate to sound like a dick, but I really don’t find black and/or latino effeminate gay men to be very welcoming of anyone. Well, let me retract that, the welcome usually doesn’t last very long before the characteristics you mentioned (plus more) rear their heads. The welcome is usually only presented if you’re attractive. and then becomes a underhanded “size up” to see what benefit you could provide. but once the novelty is gone the “welcoming” atmosphere quickly dissolves and lo and behold…
“Biiiiitch. I don’t SEE huh anymore. She a bottom, huney!” “Biiitch, you a bottom, too” “Don’ come fo’ me unless I send fo’ you huney, YOU a Power Bottom!” “WhatEVA Biiitch!!”
smh Now there are of course exceptions to this, but they are few and far in between, and usually (much) older men.
This!
I’m a man. You can use female pronouns to describe you and your friends if you want to but it’s disrespectful to me to refer to me by a female pronoun. This to me, is just asking for a confrontation.
I find that some effeminate gay men try to tear down masculine gay men by saying “He suck and take dick.” Well WTF you expect? Masculine gay men are… gay so they do same sex sex acts. It’s using what’s seen as a fem act, being the receptive partner, as a way to try to devalue and negate a man’s masculinity. To me, that just further supports that lame closed minded thinking that makes questions like “So, who’s the man and who’s the woman?” so irritating when straight people say it.
I mean women are usually more accepting of gay men, and they then look at these women as divas and take on some of their characteristics. They then interact with other gay men in the way these women act with their girlfriends and male significant others (which is problematic). You speak specifically of feminine gay men of black or latin ancestry, well, most times they’re in survival to the point where they just become all out bitches. I am not what most men on here would consider “alpha male masculine”, but I have no problem blending in with the heterosexual world. They can’t…and they are targeted. Just a deviation…maybe if not to harp too much on spirituality, but some of these fems could have been female in past incarnations.
“In societal’s standards of what is masculine, it is very rigid…even in the gay community. “
I agree with this. Society tells girls they can do anything that a boy can do. We don’t let boys have that same ‘freedom’ if you will. It’s okay for a girl to be a tomboy. If a boy is a little soft, “He needs a strong(er) male infulence.”
Femininity is more accepting. Those who don’t meet up to masculine standards are mocked and put down. THAT is why masculinity comes under scrutiny often.
Wait! Whut?
If femininity is more accepting of whom/what? Are you saying that fem guys are most accepted by straight females? Then yes. I’d agree with you in most cases. Even the bible thumper ones are until it shows up in a Facebook feed and it’s an ‘abomination’ but “Can you do my hair, nails, make up, make my clothes?”
If fem gay men revolted against helping women look beautiful based on the kind of stuff that they say about them behind their backs, straight men would have a bunch of ugly chicks staring back at them.
I can agree that straight men and masculine gays would be the ones mocking fem guys but I’d have no problem with fem guys if they did not do that stuff to us masculine gay men.
I don’t get it. I’m gay. I’m a man. I want another man. Not a male who wants to act like and dress like females. That’s not what I’m attracted to. If I wanted someone with feminine qualities, I’d date women. It’s not like I couldn’t get one if I wanted.
I also understand that there’s a spectrum of femininity and masculinity but some people don’t get that and try to make it ‘tripolar’ between FEM – IN BETWEEN – MASC.
I don’t consider myself UBER MASCULINE SOUL BROTHA ALPHA MALE MUFUKKA but if there’s snake in the backyard, I’mma be excited and try to kill it. Not flip out and run into the house and stand on the kitchen table, clutching my pearls and waiting on somebody to go out there and kill it for me or call animal control and then flirt with the exterminator guy and see if ‘he trade hunny.’
I understand you’re point. I am not attracted to fems either. I seem them like sisters or girlfriends, not potential mates. I am a cross between masculine/feminine, but I am not easily detectable either. I think I mis-worded when I said femininity is more accepting…I mean women are more accepting of gay men (usually).
But, many of those women like their gays soft, sassy, and switching.
We masculine guys get the backlash and vitriol because they are mad that we don’t want them or they start second guessing all the men around them thinking that masculine + gay = DL or DL predators. My best female friend knows I’m not her Judy. I’m not washing her hair, not painting her toe nails. Not helping her dress before she hits the club. She got over my being gay a long time ago and since then, she’s met other guys similar to me so I know SHE knows we are not all like that.
I just wish more ladies didn’t get all butt hurt and screw face when they see a good looking masculine man who is gay. It’s not anything personal. But many women take it as if we are personally against them or hate them. I don’t have women. I’m not sexually attracted to them. I’m not living two lives and I’m not even taking any men away from their dating pool.
“I don’t get it. I’m gay. I’m a man. I want another man. Not a male who wants to act like and dress like females. That’s not what I’m attracted to. If I wanted someone with feminine qualities, I’d date women. It’s not like I couldn’t get one if I wanted.”
I’ve said these very same words many times before. If I was straight, I’de have kids all over the fuckin place. I once mentioned to an effeminate guy the thing about if I wanted a “girl” I’de be str8, and I might as well had sprouted 3 more heads and called his momma a bitch with all of them, because I got the only nasty commentary, shade, teeth suckin and all kinds of shit. I don’t get it, obviously there’s SOME masculine dude somewhere that finds fem guys appealing, otherwise it wouldn’t be so baffling to them when they run into a masc dude doesn’t find them attractive, but I’M not the one dude.
Isn’t that crazy?
Is it that they are mad that there are many actual masculine gay men who have no hangups about being gay but don’t want them and they usually get ‘trade’ or DL dudes who really have no desire to commit to them and the gay men who don’t mind being with them, won’t do so in public?
I mean, there’s a Lego for every Lego. There are men who desire fem men. I’m not one.
You are killing me with these gifs. lol
“…but if there’s snake in the backyard, I’mma be excited and try to kill it.”
We would never be friends, my dude. I’m vehemently against wanton and senseless murder of innocent animals, especially something as beneficial as a snake. LOL But I see your point. Im into gardening and I love diggin around in the dirt, messing with bugs, animals, etc etc. Find me a (good looking black or latino) gay dude that’s into that (or knows anything about nature, for that matter). “We’re” either too busy in the clubs, on the phone/computer, or too fuckin scared of anything that don’t have a dick and fancy clothes.
Lol! Well, if it’s not poisonous then, it’s fine. Lol!
I /think/ the rule of thumb is if the snake has cat eyes, it’s poisonous, if the eyes are round, it’s fine.*
* Do not sue me if you get bit up by a round eyed snake and your arm falls off.
AGHHHNTTTTTTTTTT!!! Wrong answer. This is one of the most deadly snake in the world, and it’s eyes are round liek a muthafucka
“Uuuh uhhhhhhhh!!! SEE…Now WHY he post thyat. Thyas a SNAKE huney!!! Biiiiiiiiitch!!! I only fucks wit ONE kinna snake Huney, and it don’ crawl on the groun” okaaaaaaay!!” LMAO I’m sorry, I just find that “Kunty” lingo hilarious
“OH! I see you tryna do me, hunny. Do ya’ll see this? Nature boy hea tryna do me, gurrl!”
LOLOL!
DAP!
So I guess the Cypher Ave predictions were true???
I just can’t wait to see the whole recording of this shit.
Wow.. So seems like Atlanta Pride is not short on drama.. yet no one covered it basically.. It just never happened.. Well.. back to watching Ray Donovan..
Yea, I was looking for a recording of the panel myself, I’d really like to see the whole thing.
That’s disappointing, as a topic it had so much potential for in-depth discussion.