Due to the nature and subject matter, the interviewee had reservations. It wasn’t just because he didn’t want to put his new job in jeopardy but he also didn’t want to jeopardize his personal safety and well-being while on the job. Frankly, he didn’t want to be viewed as a possible media “snitch” by GDOC (Georgia Department of Corrections) staff nor the inmates.
After just two month on his new job he had so many stories. Nothing as glamorous as you see and hear on television. I begged “man look; I don’t want to video tape you, I just want to record our discussions so I can transcribe it later”. He told me flat out NO, under no circumstances. Due to my source’s apprehensions, the interview below is based off my notes of our conversation. I kept it in true to form per our conversation; slang and all. Some of what is stated here has been common knowledge within some media outlets , with the ACLU and the Southern Center For Human Rights. Below is an excerpt from one of our conversations. For his safety and anonymity, we will call my buddy and source Alex.
He told me after weeks of educational and some self-defense training, he was nervous but anxious to start his new position. After years in the Public School system, he wanted more money to help pay off his student loan debts. With his degrees in education and psychology he felt his skills could be put to great use filing certain voids in the under staffed GDOC prison system. There were certain “higher level” positions that were available but he had to get his foot in the door and gain some experience before he could apply.
Ocky: So you been busy…haven’t heard from you in a while.
Alex: Man they got me working so much because they understaffed and the drive is crazy because of the distance from my house.
Ocky: So now that you got your feet wet, what’s it like?
Alex: Loud. It’s so noisy on the housing unit and a lot of the guys are very needy.
O: What do you mean needy?
A: They are always asking you for something or wanting to talk to you about something.
O: Like what?
A: Just difference stuff and follow-up questions from requests and complaints or grievances they have made.
O: How do you interact with them? I mean do yall have conversations or is it just like a question and answer type thing? Like do you just have yes-no type interactions with them?
A: Naw they love me because I actually talk to them. A lot of them guards talk to them and treat them like garbage but there is no need for that. These are men so I treat them like men. Plus they out number you so why be disrespectful.
O: Do you feel scared?
A: Not like I use to. We get some self-defense training so I feel like I can handle myself. When I’m not doing my rounds the housing unit, I’m in the office. It’s like a guard shack protected by glass. You gotta go through another set of bars to get to it.
O: I hear a lot in the news about the broken locks and violence. Do you see or experience that?
Note: Alex gets excited and animated
A: Yo B, the shit is crazy! These locks aint worked since I been here. Yo, I just had a lengthy conversation with this one dude and when I came back the next day he was dead.
O: Word? What happened?
A: Apparently later in the day, he got into an argument over a honey bun. That night due to the locks not working, kats got out and they threw him over the rail and he split his head open.
O: What? Did anybody get in trouble?
A: Hell naw B, how? Nobody gonna say who did it cause they don’t wanna be next, what the fuck? So because they sneak drugs in and shit, it then turns into, “well he could have had drugs in his system” so he tripped and fell over.
O: So you think gang members or somebody killed him?
A: Exactly. Man these gangs in here, B the shit is crazy. Yo it was this one kid that came to me beggin to use my cell phone. I was like hell naw son, I can’t do it.
O: Use it why?
A: Yo they was ravaging that ni**a and he wasn’t even convicted of anything yet.
O: I don’t understand?
A: Yo he was caught riding dirty with a little bit of weed. They arrested him. He couldn’t post bail so them sent him here.
O: What, wait a minute, how is he in prison and not convicted of anything?
A: The prison I work at is a procession facility, meaning we process inmates, hold them until they are ship to another prison but we also will house people when the jail is overcrowded or when they are awaiting trial. Dude aint have no bail money. His family lives out of state and he could not get in contact with them. So he was just in there until his trail.
O: So what do you mean they was ravaging him…what was they doing to him?
A: He was being raped son! Yo he would be in my office crying begging to use my cell phone so he could let somebody know where he was at. I couldn’t because I could lose my job. Even though dude was 19, he was small as hell and couldn’t do anything.
O: So he couldn’t tell anybody about him being raped?
A: Naw, they would probably kill him. I can’t do anything about it unless you tell me who did it or if I personally see it. Then I could write ni**as up and they could be re-arrested. That shit will add time to their sentence. If I go tell, yo dude is being raped, they will ask him to tell them who and if he doesn’t want to tell or won’t tell, nothing will happen. You got these kids in here with convicted murders and gangbangers, simply because they can’t make bail.
O: That’s fucked up.
A: Yeah and the gangs control who has access to make calls. They be extorting the other inmates.
O: What you mean?
A: They will tell another inmate, “tell your peoples to give us money on our commissary or get us a cell phone or we will rape, pimp you out” type shit. They made one dude dress up in full dress and make up until his people sent money. Sometimes if your peoples don’t pay up, they may have you stabbed up at night. It’s like what can you do because the locks on the doors don’t work and the staff can’t be everywhere. You have kats doing what they wanna do at night and you not gonna go in there by yourself.
After our phone call, I didn’t speak to Alex again for another couple of months. When I did he told me that he was working his plan. He got his foot in the door and he had already moved into another position guarding Death Row inmates. He told me how quiet and less stressful his new position was. I asked him why he felt this way about his new environment and he said, “I don’t know. Maybe they know at some point they’re gonna die.”
Hancock State Prison gang members wear guard jackets after guards fled during a riot. Pics taken with prisoner cell phone.
Prison overcrowding, malfunctioning locking mechanisms, death and gang activity continue to plague Georgia Prisons. Southern Center For Human Rights released a report this past summer that focused on these problems. From the report;
*Georgia state prisons are at 106.3% of capacity.
*From 2010 to date, 33 prisoners and one officer were killed by other prisoners. In 2012 alone, Georgia had more homicides in its state prisons than many states’ prisons had in the last ten years. (e.g., Pennsylvania, Louisiana, Virginia, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi)1. Three times as many prisoners were killed in Georgia state prisons in 2012 than ten years ago.
*Hays State Prison houses some of Georgia’s most challenging prisoners, many of the cell doors at the prison did not work. Prison audits from 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012 reported that the facility’s cell door locks could be easily opened, leaving prisoners to roam in and out of their cells at will. An audit in September 2011 found that the “locks in the inmate housing area could be easily defeated.” The locks were not repaired. An audit in September 2012 found that of 442 locks checked, 184—41% of the locks tested—were able to be “defeated.” The locks were still not repaired. As a consequence, close security prisoners at Hays State Prison were routinely able to leave their cells at any time of day or night, even when cells were supposed to be locked. GDC officials did not take steps to fix the problem until after four Hays State Prison inmates were killed in a seven-week period between December 2012 and February 2013.
*The violence in Georgia’s prisons has grown increasingly brutal in recent months. In January 2014, a prisoner was airlifted from Coffee Correctional Facility to a hospital burn center with third degree burns and other injuries, after he was bound with tape, beaten with a bar, had bleach poured in his eyes, and boiling water poured on his face and genitals. In February 2014, Ariel Ocasio had three fingers severed by a man wielding a 19-inch knife at Wilcox State Prison. In March 2014, Jeffrey McDonald was beaten to death at Central State Prison. Cristian Bailon recently became the seventh person murdered at Smith State Prison since 2010. And on June 29, 2014, Shannon Grier died after being stabbed at Augusta State Medical Prison.
*The violence also has a disproportionate effect on African-Americans. African-Americans make up 61% of Georgia’s prison population and a majority of the victims of homicide within our prisons.
*A snapshot of incidents at Ware State Prison revealed that 25 knives were recovered in a two-day period in May 2012. Less than month later, a man had three fingers severed by a mob wielding “machetes.” The discovery of a two-foot long “machete” in a maximum security prison, on the heels of multiple stabbing events, reflects the abysmal state of security in Georgia’s prisons.
*A similar pattern is presented at Valdosta State Prison where twelve prisoners were hospitalized in a series of armed fights spanning three days.
*…men at close security facilities report that gang-affiliated prisoners often control inmate housing arrangements within a dorm, deciding for themselves which cells they will occupy. Prisoners routinely sleep in cells to which they are not assigned. (At Hays State Prison, incoming prisoners in certain dorms were not even given a cell assignment, but were simply left to find an open bed on their own.) Additionally, gang members are permitted to expel people they do not want from their dorms. Permitting gang members to dictate prisoner housing assignments is a gross breach of accepted correctional security practices that underscores the need for a thorough review of the policies and practices in Georgia’s prisons.
*Baldwin State Prison is a 925-bed, close security prison in Hardwick, Georgia with several open dormitories and a special unit for persons with mental health conditions. Insufficient supervision of prisoners has been a serious problem at Baldwin for years. Groups of prisoner-assailants have regularly seized, tied up, beaten, and tortured other men, holding them for extended periods, without being discovered by correctional officers. Baldwin’s notorious M3 dorm has been the site of several such incidents. Officers often failed to patrol this open dorm, making an appearance only briefly at count times. In their absence, gang members would target new prisoners – attacking them on their first day in the open dorm.
Hays state inmate showing off his shanks. This photo was found on an inmate’s phone. Photo by Chattanooga Times Free Press.
Since this increased violence, deaths, inmate hunger strikes and subsequent lawsuits, GDOC has and is continuing to fix locks at many facilities.
You can read the entire report here.

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Yo this shit is crazy, dude. I don’t know what to say. smh
This does not surprise me. The United States of America imprisons more of its citizens than any other country in the world. The Prison Industrial Complex is strong and there is a lot of money to be made. No one cares what happens once we put people in Prison although there is money in keeping them fed and housed and clothed and taken care of to the most minimum standard possible. This is an amazing interview but I totally understand “Alex’s” desire to stay silent. Regardless of the Convict Code and not snitching, the WhistleBlower code seems to be worse. Does any one remember Shirley Sherrod? Yeah…that was a great State of Georgia!!
I had a teacher who said she sees the US Prison system as the modern form of slavery,and i strongly agreed with that.You’re right, just like politics and government ,the system is based around money.
This was seriously upsetting to read. Great interview. To be the dude being in there with murderers and rapists simply because he couldn’t make bail…I felt for him. Honestly, I knew it was bad, but I didn’t know the actual statistics. The mentality that because you’re in prison that you have no rights to protection, or rights period needs to end. It seems like they don’t give a fuck. Scratch that. They don’t.
Show Guest: New inmates were told “you may get a tooth broken, may get an arm broken, but you’re not gonna die”
http://www.kera.org/2014/08/12/young-and-locked-up/
@ocky, is this shaping up to be an on-going series or investigation into the shape of the Georgia Correctional system? It seems like I’m missing something here like a part one or maybe there’s more to come. But it’s unfortunate he wouldn’t allow you to record his voice to make transcribing 100% accurate as our memories sometimes fail us. Going forward, I think you should really press him on that point, however, I don’t know if it’s you who is more interested in getting this out or your source. If it’s him, he’s doing himself a disservice but not giving you more access. Also, I’m more interested in the red tape that allows this ineptitude to continue. I would like you to ask your source if he knows who is withholding money to fix locks on prison doors and cells? Prison bureaucracy or state bureaucracy. Ask him who he refers any complaints to regarding the breakdown of protocol and why that person is unwilling or unable to do anything to correct the problem. Ask him who is held responsible at the prison when an inmate is brutally murdered by another inmate due to improper supervision and protection by guards. I can understand him not wanting to put his name out there as I know that people can be vindictive but has he witnessed retaliation towards others who have spoken out and what was done about it. I know most people know our prisons are a complete mess but I’m not sure people really understand why nothing is being done to correct it. Perhaps your source is too wet behind the ears and doesn’t really have the answers to these questions but If you could get those answers, you would deserve a Pulitzer. Really eye opening story and appreciate something new from you guys on here. I really mean it when I say you should pursue your source and encourage him to be a little more open. It may take time for him to trust you but it’s worth it. Props….
-Is this shaping up to be an on-going series or investigation into the shape of the Georgia Correctional system?…No sir
-As far as recording his voice…I can’t make a grown man do something he doesn’t want to do. If dude didn’t want his voice recorded even after I offered to scramble the voice, I’m not gonna press it. He didn’t want to do any type of “interview” so I’m happy with the info he privileged to me.
-As far as monies and corruption concerning the locks, there is a link in the second paragraph. Keep in mind dude was new to his job at the time of this discussion.
-Keep in mind this was a discussion between dudes that happened to have a Q&A portion about his job, not a journalistic sit down interview about all things concerning the GDOC prison system.
Gotcha. I did assume, incorrectly, that it was an interview so my bad. I was hungry for some inside information that I can’t get anywhere else. Maybe you could use this as the basis for one of your videos should you chose to do them in the future. It was informative to say the least. Thanks.
This is definitely a topic worth pursuing. This is definitely a potential Pulitzer. It has high grade investigative qualities and could lead to other avenues and sought endeavors. Sometimes what we think is not worth it is really our next step and path. It’s worth giving it more thought – as a hobby at first – then on to the big prize.
This is sad man. My job could never stand btwn me picking up my phone n calling sum1 to get some harassed kid bailed out!
I got locked up in Miami a few yrs back when I was on a tour n no1 believed that I was there w a certain show, eventho I kept asking them to call the theatre.
I’m sorry, that shit is whack. I get that mofos have rules as c.o.’s, but w the number of them doin all kinds of illegal shit on the clock, Ima need them to recognize that picking up ur cell phone is not that serious!
F-ed up that people don’t mind bending the rules to sneak in drugs, cell phones, and the like, but “Oh noes! I can’t help you make a phone call. Imma lose my good gov’mint job!”
If you are that scared to help to even use your phone, why not ask for the address and send an anonymous letter? Or even a self destructing email address?
It’s not that difficult.
You’re assuming that my contact (new to the job) was breaking rules and the law by smuggling in drugs and other contraband which is not the case. What is not being understood is that by letting the young man use his cell phone, he risks other inmates finding out. Not only could he lose his job, he also runs the risks of other inmates now begging to use his personal cell phone BUT ALSO subject himself to being attacked or killed by the gangs that run the understaff prison. Everything is not so cut and dry and it’s easy to say what one should do when you are personally not experiencing or in the same situation.
No. I wasn’t talking specifically about your contact. I have seen almost monthly reports of correctional officers who end up smuggling things into prisons. Your contact, being upper level would not have to do that. My comment was in general of people who work in prisons.
I have never understood what kind of a hold someone in prison could have over a worker to get them to risk their jobs and end up being a prisoner as well.
That’s all.
@sb3000 I didn’t know you had a mugshot like one of your avatars. Let me see it. Lol
Lmao! I was dressed like I had no business being there, so at least I was stylin n profilin on yall in my, ahem, ‘photo shoot’!
What I will say tho, is a guy who looked just like my current avatar came in for boozing on the beach. There was an unwrapped sandwich in the corner, and he made a mad dash to it! I just gave up on life after that!
so 3000 must have been your inmate number #Ex-ConStatus
See! A mofo ends up on the ID channel for killing an entire family ONE TIME and now I gotta be an ex con!?!
I was in there for sumthin a bit less sinister, I must say. 3000 is in tribute to my boo Andre of Outkast! Been using 3000 since I was a kid saying ‘who is this sexy weirdo?!’
The prison system in America is one of the most horrifying and depressing institutions you will ever see, from the top to the bottom. There’s corruption at all levels, a constant real threat of death or serious violence, and virtually no real escape from the gangs that dominate prison life. And the most depressing aspect of this to me is how many non-violent offenders (e.g. minor drug charges) we end up sending there. You take a decent person and shove em in that environment, 90% of the time they’re coming out far worse or coming out a corpse.
There is a book by a lawyer and active Melissa Alexander titled “The New Jim Crow” it is honestly the best account on the state of the prison system that I have ever read. I think everyone should be required to read it because its crazy almost madness how we engage in prison populations in America.
The New Jim Crow is actually next on my “to read” list..
I would love to continue this conversation with your contact. Dude is saying some true stuff. For some of the reasons that he has mentioned(understaffed, needy detainees, long hours, too many rude axx unprofessional colleagues who just don’t give a fxxk, inappropriate sexual talk, riots, suicide attempts, shanks, busting out of doors on their own, the consistent ultimate disrespect from some of your inmates without consequences, etc.) I resigned from law enforcement. It is not structured how you think it would be at all, and you there to help daily while instructing and breaking up foolishness while putting your safety in jeopardy, but no one really cares. Someone definitely has to do it, but it wasn’t worth the stress and long days that comes with the package.
My first “real” job was in law enforcement at a very young age. I witnessed the hypocrisy and was like, “… the hell with this mess…” I, too, resigned from law enforcement for the blatant discrepancies and racism. I couldn’t deal with it. I was very young and hopeful. I don’t regret leaving albeit I could have retired by now had I stuck it out being that I started at 18 years old.
The guard could have done something. I’m so tired of hearing people talk about how they can’t really do anything to change the prison system and that’s bullshit, sorry but the guard was just as guilty as the rapist.
Until we experience life in prison,we really can’t judge him.Had he taken action,he would’ve most likely been attacked himself .We can say he should do more,but think about people who don’t get proactive against injustice in their own communities, or families.
By the time he even filed a report,another crooked staff member could get wind of it and have the boy hurt before the next day.If we’re going to be realistic, had he reported the rape the powers-that-be probably wouldn’t take too much action,or if they did it wouldn’t be very expeditious.
When money is involved,such as his bail, things change.No one was going to care about helping some young black man who couldn’t pay up. That’s why he was there in the first place.
In my younger-ignorant-un-informed mind, I use to think going to prison would be a gay man’s paradise. All the d**k you want being treated like prized royalty. NOT! I realize that if I did have the horrific misfortune of going to jail and coming from a supportive family that would send me money and things to make this ordeal more tolerable, I would be preyed upon by those who would want to take what I have and a lot of other undesirable atrocities too horrible to even think about. I see the louts that are not in prison and living in society freely,and how they behave, it could only be exponentially worse in the prison system. How foolish I was thinking it would be a nice place to vacation in.
And here we go……….again. The feds had to step in and take control of Ga. State Prison in Reidsville in the 70s. Then like now is the result of the “good ole boy” system. When you give friends with connections jobs that are beyond their ability this is the result. It’s not the C.O.’s fault or the staff at the prison it’s the imbeciles at GDOC in Atlanta. Some obviously have sticky wet brown stuff for brains and lack the ability to manage a donut shop much less a prison system. When you have problems this bad it always turns out to be incompetence in upper management. I have met more than one person with endless college degrees who were dumb asses. No common sense whatsoever. It makes me ashamed to be from a state that only reinforces stereotypes of being slow talking, corrupt to the core inbred idiots. Here comes the feds…………AGAIN.