It’s time for Cypher Avenue Pop Culture Expert, Nick Delmacy, to review and recap the latest episode of a popular web series or television show. For those not familiar, Nick satirically recapped a bunch of Gay Black Web Series like Steel River, Finding Me, In the Deep, No Shade, Street Behavior, Mommaz Boi and Freefall with hilarious results. Now its time for Nick to once again shamefully demonstrate that its much easier to criticize than to produce the work yourself.
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What’s good, fam? I’m back. Been gone too long but we did just launch a brand new website, so I been kinda busy. What I miss? Not much? Oh, aight. What’s on tap today? We got a few emails and by popular demand: a new episode of Freefall? Oh Boy. This review/recap may be longer than others since I haven’t talked about this show since the first season.
Okay, confession. I watch this web series but I don’t really “love” it. At the same time, I also watch “The Walking Dead” and I really hate that show. Like, for real, “The Walking Dead” is horrible, the writing and acting is the worse. But I still can’t help but watch it and so do millions of other people. So take all that as a compliment I guess.
The fans must love to see me hate on these shows and movies. Fucking turncoats. Call it “throwing shade” all you want. I just don’t do passive-aggressive. I tell people what I really think. Is it my fault I was born sarcastic?
Sarcasm aside, Freefall does have a lot of positives, though. Namely, Freefall is one of the 3 best web series created by and featuring black gay men (joined by Drama Queenz and No Shade). Its got the best looking cast of any gay web series. The photography is on point. The audio has improved. Also, it’s at least trying to tell atypical gay stories. Kinda. I guess. All that and they don’t have a “network” budget or generous financiers. That’s impressive.
Having said that, its not immune to being over analyzed by Nick Delmacy. Honestly, I have faith that it will get better. But so far, watching Freefall has been like dating attractive muscular tattooed men: You keep hoping that the next one will be less disappointing than the last, only to be fooled yet again (zing!).
Ayo, I have a little ritual that I perform before watching “Freefall.” First, I turn the Contrast and Saturation on my laptop monitor ALL THE WAY UP to compensate for the contrast and color that director Lamont Pierre takes out of the show.
Seriously, why does he do that? Why take crispy colorful 1080p HD images and piss on them? To make it look more like film? Nah, even film doesn’t look like as muted as Freefall does. That’s also a subtle way of saying the show is WAY TOO GREEN-TINTED! I get it. Film Auteur. New Wave Cinema. Real Artistry. Yup, okay. Lamont loves the color green. I get it. We all get it. Now ease back on the throttle a bit, homie. Our computer monitors are capable of displaying more than 256 RGB colors nowadays. Don’t get me wrong, the shot compositions are great more times than they’re not, but it sucks to click on the YouTube gear for 1080p HD and not see any difference.
Next, I prepare to watch Freefall by grabbing a few items:
1. No Doz: This show drags on and on so much that I sometimes doze off during the show only to wake up and discover I’m STILL ON THE SAME SCENE!
2. Uta Hagen’s Respect for Acting: I sit this book next to my laptop to remind myself that I should respect what these models are attempting to do here, regardless of the outcome. In all honesty, they’re likely doing better than I would if I tried acting, but that ain’t saying much. Still, props to them for doing this web series instead of porn.
3. Suicide Kit: Seriously. This show is soooooooo fucking depressing. After each episode, this is what I look like:
I figured it out: Lamont Pierre is the Black Gay Film equivalent to singer Adele. Whoever broke his heart back in the day really fucked him up. From My Brother’s Keeper to Freefall, everything is dark, moody and depressing. Every relationship featured on his shows are portrayed as burdens and curses. That dude really put a number on Lamont. Lets all throw him a virtual hug. *Virtual hug thrown* *Secretly shoots syringe full of adrenaline into his buttock to perk him up*
Aight, that’s enough foreplay. Let’s watch the ninth episode of Freefall! (Catch up on the first 8 episodes HERE)
You made it all the way? Whoa, congrats. Survival of the fittest, yo! Darwin was right!
Okay, hit the next page and let’s recap!
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“1. No Doz: This show drags on and on so much that I sometimes doze off during the show only to wake up and discover I’m STILL ON THE SAME SCENE!”
The shade of it all!
Somebody come get this show!!!
While I keep coming back, hopeful that I will see a steadily improving black gay series, I still can’t cosign on the acting. EVERYONE.IS.TERRIBLE!
There’s a youtube series called ‘Hustling’ which is really strong. Id gladly donate to that show, but ‘Freefall’ needs to present at least 1 solid episode, or at least 30 seconds of someone delivering lines w/o sounding like they’re reading, before Id feel comfortable giving them my money.
I think the show steadily improves as far as production. It’s good to see that. Unfortunately I think the ship may have sailed for a network launch. Their view count steadily declines as opposed to increasing. Drama Queenz started getting upwards of 50 thousands views per episode(some even hit 100K) and they couldn’t get picked up so with Freefall maxing out at 30K it doesn’t seem likely. And I can never tell if the dialogue seems stilted because of the actors or because of the writing. This is especially apparent to me with the Old drug King Pin. Nothing he says sounds natural and I cant tell if it’s him or the words coming out of his mouth.
Valid observation about view counts but in all honesty, that really doesn’t matter. All any producer needs is to pitch a show idea to the one right person who believes in the vision and can make something happen. Even if its not already shot.
I think Freefall’s issue is more with the overall story and characters. The acting here is weak but I can always get past that if the story is unique/interesting and the characters are well developed. The story in the first season was too small now this story is too big/ambitious for what they could actually pull off.
I disagree. I think it’s easier to pitch something that hasnt been shot and get the networks to take a chance on it as opposed to shooting a bunch of seasons of something and proving to them that the show can’t keep a steady base. DTLA on Logo was originally a webseries. Aired 2 episodes with each getting over 100K views and then it got picked up. Trust me, I’ve worked on the production/development side of things in various capacities and they absolutely do look at numbers of pre-existing shows. I think the next black LGBT project that has potential to be picked up is Between Women…but that’s about the lesbians *shrugg*. Each episode gets over 300K views. But that may indicate more female viewing habits versus male habits as “discreet” gay men are less likely to share and promote content they watch.
I promise I have watched every episode this season and still don’t know what the show is about lol. I just like looking at Xavier…even when he’s failing at everything.
I’m not disagreeing with you that it happens, I’m just saying that its not absolute. There are YouTube channels with Millions of views, but still no network deal. Its not that black & white. Freefall producers could theoretically pitch to Will Smith’s company and get a development deal long before web series with 300k views per episode. I’ve seen it happen. all they need is the right person to take a chance on them.
What do you think the chances of that happening are? For Free FAll and Tha Life Atl? Not being funny. I actually would like to know you’re opinion.
Tha Life ATL has a better chance since its a reality show and considered to be cheaper to produce. Scripted shows are generally more expensive. Or at least they are perceived to be by the powers that be.
I would actually give it to Tha Life Atl as well with some tinkering. But I read somewhere it’s been rejected twice by major networks. The producer seems persistent though so I’m sure he’ll get on somebodies network eventually.
Amen. Hallelujah. Not one episode do I like. Drug dealing and killing, murders, double crossing, etc… can they think of an original plot instead of trying to be “gay gangsters?” The whole storyline of homo-thuggery is a complete turn-off. stop trying to be “straight” and just be GAY and “like it.” This show, if you can call it that, because I have yet to see any acting or real cinematography happening is worn out with a tired azz “no” plot. A pretty face does not a movie make. That’s been tried over and over again and each time it was a “bust” at the box office, aka flop. Who in the hell is actually telling you that this mess is “good?” I want to strangle them whomever it is. Bad “acting”, Bad camera work, and a dumb ass plot. Need I say more. They have a gay cult following – aka professional booty lickers. Akin to looking in the mirror everyday, and saying, “gee I look good.” It actually sickens me to know end. “Please put the trash out for the…
Can you please let folks know how you really feel? I feel as though you are holding back.
“Freefall” makes me wanna cringe when I see it. Have you ever been embarrassed for somebody? Who would put this craziness out for all to see just how low of a mentality we have as a collective. We can’t be chemists, scientists, doctors, mathematicians, or anything of the like, just homo-thuggery “because thats what sells.” bs – who’s buying it. As of right now NOBODY! And in the future.. NOBODY. Stupid is as stupid does as stupid gets – NOTHING! @ Hannibal, I hoped you liked this “opinion” better. Just because you like all their (freefall’s) shhhhh doesn’t mean I have to and I have stated such. This is man talk here so you might wanna put on your steel toe boots, because I am not going to wrap this in fancy packaging, like Nick (He did a magnificently wonderful hilarious job of shredding this mess), to make you comfortable with my delivery. And that’s a wrap folks.
I was making a joke, not necessarily defending the show.
“stop trying to be “straight” and just be GAY and “like it.”
@coshamo Wait what does this mean? Being “GAY and liking it” is only like Tha Life Atlanta or Drama Queenz?
Being involved with crime is “Acting Straight?”
I was so thrown by that 1, I just got up n kept walkin..
It’s more a play on words. The plot line feels overly contrived. Just like the rape scene – its never explained or acknowledged. Further, the clean up of the murder scene, big drug money… everything is bad acting, covered in thuggery, then covered in a gay a subplot uggghhh. Homo-thug is the new gay – gay without a brain, stupid gay. Gay that doesn’t make sense. It’s just a bad series that has gotten worse with each additional installment. Dumb and dumber. Dumb gay on steroids. The only roles Black men can play are criminals, but now we have a new face on it… BLACK, GAY, but get this – still CRIMINAL. This is oh so fucked up… THUGGERY. super GAY criminal who does it all – RAPE, ROB, MURDER, CHEATS, STEALS, and SELLS, or more appropriately PEDDLES, DRUGS. Sounds like the Same Old Shit to me. And glorified by Black Gay men. uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggh. Stop already – perpetuating this Black male stereotype is straight up bs.
Look I hear you and agree with some of what you say but I’m not against any negative imagery when it comes to black people on film. Just as you have said many times on this site before: this reality about black men does exist, we can’t be in denial about that. So while it make be stereotypical, if done well, I can fully embrace it as a window into the lives of some of our brothers. Just like with The Wire. Having said that, its not done well or plausibly here. Going this Gangsta Gay direction was a left turn and kinda unnecessary.
It’s like equating masculinity with thuggery and criminality. Gay Black men, particular this “freefall” cast, director, along with others seem to have a need to over compensate for the perceived lack of machismo among gay black men by ascribing to “homo-thuggery” as if this somehow validates Black gay male masculinity. It’s really sad. And now they have a slowly evolving cultish clique who subscribe to this crap for all the reasons that I am stating – perceived lack of masculinity transformed into “homo-thuggery.” It’s a deep psychological issue readily unfolding into a serious collective dysfunction. You have to be very careful about what you put forth as “art.” There is such a thing as “creative” self-destruction. It’s a very slippery slope. These are the very reasons for which I abhor this disastrous mess being marketed as art. Don’t we already have enough Black male incarceration and fake thuggery and gangstas parading around perpin’ doing more harm, not just to the Black image, but to themselves as well. I find no need to ADD fuel to an already burning “out of control” fire.
I see what you’re saying about the over compensating part but I find it interesting that they all seem to be bad criminals. Bad as in not very good at it.
Eh, I hear you but you’re the same guy that said you like shows with gay lifestyle stereotypes and we should embrace those. This show is fiction at the end of the day. Its not propaganda to bring down the Black American population.
But I do think you’re on to something about making the characters “thugs” to compensate for some of the actors’ lack of masculinity. That never occurred to me. From what I saw of Lamont Pierre’s past work, it was very odd that he chose to reboot Freefall as a gay hood crime tale. It has never been done before until now so I guess that may have been the reason.
“It has never been done before until now so I guess that may have been the reason.”
I think that may be the reason a lot of people are frustrated with the show. All jokes aside it is actually original and unique for it’s genre of black LGBT…yet it’s not well executed. It’s like the most amazing looking steak that turns out undercooked.
I didn’t say that I liked gay lifestyle stereotypes. Where? I said something to the effect that I kinda sorta liked “Tha Life Atlanta” but in a strange sorta way. That’s why I wish I could keep my comments, not that I don’t know what I said, but to make sure that if there is any ambiguity I could clear it up right away. What I said about the “Tha Life… ” was that at least it wasn’t contrived even though I abhor the “ugliness that it was depicting” as we get to see what we truly look like on the big screen… from behind the camera lens anyhow. I also said that if we didn’t like the ugliness that we saw then we should work on changing our behavior. Further, I don’t participate in that scene. It’s gay drama and I don’t like butch “queens.” All of that pretentiousness. It’s so phony. Gives me the creeps. But as a Black male I have to have my “needs” met, thus I can be found on the fringes somewhere. Additionally, I said “Tha Life… ” probably had an increased dramatic element added to it to “notch up” the ratings – views – something to draw “us” in to watch it. One thing I know for sure about BLACK GAY MEN is that they will get together and start fighting over “men.” We both know this to be true. Black Men period can do major effffin’ drama. < <<<< That's the bitch in us. uuuggghhhh. Don’t put me in a box and call…
@Coshamo, Kinda Sorta liked Tha Life Atlanta?! Bro, you were raving about it in multiple comments. They are all there if you want to re-read, lol. But all I’m saying is the same applies to all stereotypes of black men.
Lamont Pierre chose to ditch the typical stereotypes of black gay men in exchange for stereotypes of black men in general. Which is odd and seemed like a unusual way to go in response to the first season of his show.
Nick, it’s best not to discuss those comments, although I would like to see them, I know exactly what I feel. I never gave “Tha Life Atlanta” a 100 percent hands down “I LIKE THEM/IT.” Because I don’t and I am telling you I don’t. I said I would watch it. So you can send me those comments if you like. I would appreciate it. Because for sure I don’t care for the “Grand Butch Queen” George. He’s definitely over the top for me. So let me repeat it again, I will watch “Tha Life Atlanta,” but I don’t approve of any of the behavior in that show. PERIOD! I want to be very clear about this. That show is a true depiction of the DRAMA that Black Gay Men do with each other on the regularly. You know this and I know this too. I, in no way, shape, form, or fashion approve of how Gay Black Men carry on in their lives. I don’t hang around with anybody gay. I don’t do GAY too well. If you think I said it, and you want to stand by it, I am retracting anything that says I approve of any stereotypical bs being put forth by any Black man, or Black Gay Man. FINAL ANSWER!
I watch “Freefall,” but it doesn’t mean I like it. I’ve had to watch it to know I DO NOT like it! Nick you have a “hard on” for the “cuteness” in free fall. LOL
But they had a show where everybody was gay and liking it called Noah’s Arc. But we talked sh*t about that, too.
While Noahs Arc was a much better production across the board, it was still a bit contrived. I may get some knives thrown at me, but it was pretty unrealistic as far as relationships go.
Im a big advocate of the fact that many young gay men fall into being visible stereotypes based on the fact that typical masc, wake up and go to work, come home and have a beer guys who happen to be gay arent exactly the most visible.
So…you end up w a bunch of queens romancing some idea of the guy i mentioned above, swooping into their lives and treating them like the fair maiden to their prince charming, (See: Noahs Arc), all the while, never stopping to take into consideration that the aforementioned guy would probably be with a woman if he wanted that from a relationship.
But now, Im ‘that guy’ who turned the original topic into my tangent box, so ima go over there right quick…
@Nick made that point I believe when he was reviewing The Skinny. Why is it that the only “masculine” man in the show is always turned into the pitch perfect love interest of every effeminate man he’s surrounded by. It seems to be a staple of black gay fiction.
TOTALLY AGREE @SB3000!!! And yes, HUSTLING is a great show!!!
YES! EXACTLY Nick!
As I’ve said before, I think Lamont Pierre does some pretty incredible work overall, considering all the odds. But FREEFALL seem like the little engine that WON’T on all accounts! I’m having such a hard time watching without dozing off or wandering and its been that way since the very 1st installment.
For one, not enough action, not enough expression, WAY TOO MUCH SPACE in between the dialogs/vignettes-characters/scenes(Wth is up with all that damn silence? this is where I fall asleep only to wake up and find I’m still in the same scent-ughk!)…
And then there’s that horrible GREEN/GRAYISH TINT which makes it even more DEPRESSING to watch! No matter how new-wave it is, it has no relevance whatsoever!
I get it-Its INDEPENDENT-LOW BUDGET, but can I PLEASE see some regular FAT PEOPLE thrown in occasionally just to interact on some of these scenes? Are there NO heavyset thick dudes who deal in the underground world of crime/drugs/sex?
Way too much about…
I don’t think yall made an article that made me laugh as hard as I did throughout.
In all seriousness tho, I shouldn’t have to say “Huh?”, “What the hell…” or “…..really..” for every other scene. Nor should I even laugh in the “serious” parts..
*evil eye @ the Chad/Chandler/(whoever DF he is) rape scene*
I really wanna kno if they ARE actually taking acting classes, HAVE taken acting class, or WILL take classes..and how often do they rehearse? Did they review after they did shots? Are the characters’ personalities THAT different from their? Is/Are the “plot(s)” intentionally all over the place..?
Obviously, (I guess) it’s not that easy to do all this. I’m no licensed film critic either…but c’mon now.
I’d donate, but only for better, more NATURAL performances. Unleeeeess, they’re supposed to deliberately speak in a theatrical kind of way, if that makes sense.
I have hope for Freefall, but ummm…*heavy sigh*…yyyyyyyeah.
:l
Glad I could make you laugh, lol. And didn’t you just watch the new season episodes yesterday? So they were still fresh on your mind and you were still confused? I wanna dig this show but its hard. You’re a young dude, I figured you would like the show regardless.
LOL, everything after the revamped “101” I caught up on last night.
I kno it’s likely that they didn’t do all that. But they should be in some classes or sum’n ASAP. DF?? Aaaarrgh!!
*sigh* Although I’m honestly on the fence with this show, I can’t deny liking it.
It can be suspenseful, sensual, the ppl are attractive, and lil shit like that. (I get concerned with content, characters, & realistic acting performances; the color/tint/hue don’t bother me much)
Do they read reviews from like, ANYWHERE else…cuz this seems like the only site that gives a solid damn if this ship sinks or not.
I strongly suggest they read your reviews & our comments.
#Ijs
Yeah they read them. And yes its very unfortunate that this is the only website that reviews any of the black gay web series out there really. My reviews can seem harsh but they are honest and (as you demonstrated in the first sentence of your original comment) they are meant to entertain Cypher Ave readers, not educate or train web series filmmakers. But I do agree with you on liking something about it but not being able to point finger at specifically what (besides attractive cast).
lol pretty accurate description of the show, nothing makes me laugh more than renaming dude as mumbles I will call him that every time i watch the show now.
…..Speaking of male-rape victims. That whole “getting male raped while unconscious” thing, it hasn’t been mentioned or acknowledged on the show since it happened a couple episodes ago…ever…at all. The Nico character doesn’t seem to remember it happening. Not even sore pain or bleeding the next morning. All that tells me is either Mumbles is very “small” or Nico’s “smashbox” was already pretty roomy….
DWL…. LMFAO……TOO DAMN FUNNY NICK…but that’s some of the little DETAILS I spoke about thats missing from the show and you don’t need a ‘budget’ to fix it. The new episode is out. Episode 106- just watched it…nothing’s changed..same loop ends hanging, no character development except Tony who is still the one you like to hate, Ray, Nico N Chad are all groupies, X is still a HOE, Cam is a hopeless romantic who is being sucked dry and he doesn’t see it and the boss…yeah the one older guy..well he is even more confusing as the plot trods and trods and trods along…SMH….there is a line between Ray and X in the scene…X to Ray..’whats sup stupid”…Ray’s response…’sup hoe”… That one banter between those 2 characters summed up the entire series…it’s shamelessly prostituting itself to the young crowd creating immature gossip amongst the youth..on a film thats as empty as their gossip.
I wasn’t gonna review the new episode because the Freefall team are pissed at us now but I decided to do it anyway. We’re an urban gay website that talks about urban urban gay news and urban gay entertainment. And Freefall is urban gay entertainment. We’re not thirsty bloggers that deep down wanna hang out with the cast just because they look good, so we can actually be honest about the show. I watched the episode and will save my critique for the post, however I can say this:
When we spoke to the DL Chronicles creators they made the point that these new web series are being made by kids essentially. They are portraying all that they know, which is just sex, being horny, dating and having roommates. Freefall is no exception. So in many ways I agree with you about the maturity level of the show. Which is odd because I felt that Lamont Pierre’s previous work showed a lot of promise.
Spoiler Alert! Don’t read this comment if you haven’t seen the latest Free Fall.
IDK, about dismissing this episode as being all about sex. Nico and his lover want more than just sex. They’re trying to build a future together flipping the houses. Cam is trying to find himself along with finding love and self-esteem. X admitted to another person he wasn’t happy.
And then other guy admitted the same. That’s a vulnerable thing to admit to someone you don’t know that well.
Afterwards, when X tried to medicate with sex, the other guy pushed him away and admitted that they both needed friends. Again, that’s a vulnerable admission. This episode was about far more than just sex. And the ones who seem to be wandering are actually in a free fall, which is the theme of the show.
It’s a tad pompous for the DL Chronicle guys to say most of these kids today, a dismissal by the way, are all about sex. And just a wee bit hypocritical.
After all, The Chronicles had lots of sex in it. But I look forward to reading your full review.
When did anyone say the episode was all about sex?
I’m responding to your earlier comment that today’s web series creators are portraying all that they know, which is just sex, being horny…and Freefall is no exception.
LOL you took that one word out of context…the full statement actually applies to the show. At least DL Chronicles flipped the typical situations and really tried to get into the psyche of the characters. Anyway, its good they at least have one fan defending them on this website. Please tell me you’ve made a donation.
Oh, come on, Nick. Quit being difficult just because. Didn’t you say no one wanted to talk about the filmmaking, story, etc? That’s what I’m doing. I’m not a stan. I see the imperfections in the show just as I saw them in DL Chronicles or Noah’s Arc.
But I think somebody saying, “I’m not happy,” is getting into their psyche. Cam’s neurotic behavior reveals his inner life too. I don’t think these situations are atypical of what we’re accustomed to seeing black gay men do on screen either.
And in spite of the sexual situations, I don’t think the entire series has been about getting laid. But I look forward to reading your full review so get ta writin’.
Again, no one said the entire series has been about getting laid. What comments are you reading? A character saying, “I’m not happy” is not getting into a psyche. Depression is engraved in this show’s DNA, a character saying the words reveals nothing new after 6 episodes.
Side note, I like how you dodged the “did you make a donation” question, LMAO.
No, ass.
I didn’t make a donation. I did that one time with Awkward Black Girl and I got my little wristband in the mail and that was ok. I guess. Lately, I’ve developed mixed feelings about Kickstarter, etc.
I mean, honestly. If you’ve been on Scrubs for 5 years and haven’t saved enough money to finance your own project then I don’t think that’s my problem.
Will I ever donate again? IDK. I guess one can reason that it’s like paying for HBO or something. You’re paying for what you want to see. On the other hand, if I’m paying for the development of the show then I’m an investor, aren’t I? And then shouldn’t I be entitled to a share of the profits? Oh, right. It’s a donation.
In the Scrubs or Veronica Mars cases, are the people who donated on Kickstarter going to have to turn around and buy a ticket, too? Like I said: Mixed feelings.
I know i shouldn’t be, but a tiny part of my brain is slightly tickled by the pseudo beef of Free Fall and Cypher Avenue. I pray for peace!
I certainly don’t mean to beef. If I’m coming across that way then let me squash it now. I’m too old to fight on the internet and this ain’t Facebook. I’m simply offering a counter argument about the show being all about sex. That’s it.
No beef @hannibal. We’ve only beefed with one person ever. This lil effeminate feminist dude. But it was a one-sided beef because I actually liked every time that he blogged about us. Free publicity and he made a couple valid points occasionally.
lol my comment was made in jest although I was amused just now when you said Free Fall as mad at you. I was a bit intimidated by this site but now it’s a playgroud of ideas.
This review was funny as hell. Good job @Nick.
You already know I enjoy Freefall. I’ve donated and I’m glad Lamont is doing his thing. I hope things continue to progress and improve.
I guess I’m late! I came to this site this morning and saw your article about Freefall for the first time. I went to you-tube and watch the whole series from beginning to end and I liked it. It was different but depressingly enjoyable. All gays are not walking confident know it alls. Most people are flawed human beings and the ultra fine Xavier wasn’t the one the whole city spent its time chasing. He was immature, lonely, vulnerable and searching instead of the super jock dissing everybody. Of course a bigger budget can always make for a better show but all in all this kept me wondering what was coming next. Love all the actors especially Dante Simmons and I am hoping the show will get the funding it needs and return. Good luck fellas!
One more thing; Somebody needs to do an interview with rape survivors because can a man really be raped (even a bottom) and not know it? I know he was knocked out but I (as a bottom) hope I would know that someone was back there even if they were two inches…just saying! Maybe its my ignorance but I have heard of females being sleep and their spouse/mate penetrating them and somehow they don’t know????